Please note: RonMars words will be marked by **** at start and finish and will be in quotes and my replies will be marked TM: at start and finish and will be in italics.
I have taken a few days to think about and pray about how to proceed. If you haven’t read “Exchanging Pleasantries With Another Christian” I ask that you PLEASE read it first as it gives some background on a discussion with direct quotes from over a year ago.. http://www.kjv-truth-ministries.org/?p=650 If you’ve already read it or already have personal experience with the man who calls himself RonMar and would like to jump right in, please do.
I hadn’t had any contact with this person in over a year. Last time I was rudely introduced to him by his attacking me for taking another person to task for using racist comments. His very first post to me was “Preacher what Deity died and left you as the judge of His created ones?” (This is particularly interesting since Ron LOVES to judge everything other people post and even places himself as the arbiter of who is Christian and who is saved.) I allowed him to have the last word, so to speak, last year but I compiled a greatest hits list of his comments and made the page I referenced above. It has been up for all that time and many people have found it an interesting read and I even have a friend and Christian Brother in Australia now partially thanks to it. (Hi, Chris!)
This new experience in psychological abuse started again with HIM posting to ME. I was exchanging posts with petroskhan a fellow disqus poster and little did I know that by agreeing with him I was opening myself up to literary, psychological and I believe, spiritual attack by RonMar. AGAIN, he posted to ME first with
****“ What? You are allowing yourself to be duped by a charlatan, a force against Christians and Christianity.”****
So, his first post again was an attack but this time on petroskhan. This goes on routinely btw with petroskhan and pretty much ANYONE with whom RonMar disagrees. Here are just a few quotes lifted from the discussion of RonMar attacking petroskhan….
****“I gave you God’s WORDS. You can heed it or not, ayor. You must remember, you do not tell me what to do. I tell you. I am the one with authority by virtue of being called, education, experience, training and ordination; you are not. You are an agent of Satan attacking Christianity and Christians like an Islamic jihadist.” Or “You don’t know the teachings of the Bible. You can’t even read the Bible properly and correctly. You, poor thing, are so delusional, such a liar or both. You are no Christian or anyone to judge who is or is not, those who are in fact Christians or anyone else. You are, in fact, an agent of Satan attacking Christianity and Christians as evidenced by your assaults on certain denominations and their adherents. In that respect you behave like an Islamic jihadist.” Or ”… “You don’t know God, let alone His teachings. You are the coward and liar trying to project your traits and behaviors onto me and others – a sure sign of your insanity.” Or “…go away forever and concentrate on attaining your salvation which you presently do not have.”, and “Get serious or seek help from a psychiatrist”**** Lather rinse and repeat and I think you get the idea. He has, in a quote to me, also referred to ptroskhan as “pet and petroSKHAM” which seems to be a portmanteau fabricated to again abuse him and his Christinity as a sham and scam.
I will post a few quotes exchanged between RonMar to me later but first I would like to make a point. I TRY very hard day by day to be what God wants me to be. Like all of us, some days I fail and some days are better than others. 2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. I believe this but I also know that the old man never truly dies completely and sometimes, just maybe, that also is what God wants. We are all a conglomeration of our experiences, memories, upbringing, schooling, training etc. God helps to refine and focuses us, to emphasize the things he can use, our better qualities and talents and helps us control or tamp down the negativity, bad habits etc.
If you ask the people who REALLY know me, like my wife and kids they would tell you that I truly AM a new person in Christ. The man that I used to be just doesn’t seem to be in charge of the building any longer. I thank God for that but I also know that a large part of who I am is because I grew up in Detroit and also lived for awhile on the streets of NYC as a runaway. After that I also spent four years in the Army. All of these experiences taught me things and also helped to shape who I became as an adult. A LOT of that was mitigated, shaped and smoothened by a patient God. Through his grace and mercy and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit MANY things changed. God sent me a wonderful woman who is a love, support, comfort and sounding board for me. She helps me to focus and to see things I otherwise might not. She, like most GOOD women, helps me to be more of what I should and less of the man I was.
That being said, I learned to stand up for myself as a teen and there were literally times I might have been killed had I not the skill to defend myself and a spirit that was unafraid of confrontation. (NO pride intended as God gave me those traits) Today, I don’t mind so much when people attack ME; but because the Lord has given me passion for righteousness, truth, and justice; I can no longer stand idly by while others are attacked, lies are told or people are being unfair to each other. RonMar has abused and threatened many of us including repeated threats of lawsuits against ANYONE who dares actually stand against him as he rails against everyone else as some sort of Online King and Judge of all men.
Where and when possible I DO believe (and the Bible says) that we have a responsibility to suffer wrong, to live in peace with all and to even turn the other cheek when attacked. It also says that there IS a time to fight, that self defense is a right and that we should ALWAYS be willing to help and defend others. I don’t think God expects us to be door mats, and he certainly doesn’t expect us to stand by when someone routinely and habitually with malice of forethought attacks people, calls them names, defames them, their character, their witness, ministry for the Lord and even their salvation!
Bullies MUST be confronted; their attacks must not be allowed to go unanswered and their blatant false witness and lies rebuffed.
Here are a few exchanges RonMars words will be marked by **** at start and finish and in quotes and my replies will be marked TM: at start and finish and will be in italics.
****“If you ever learn to read, read my post”…” I remember you. I have not boasted but rather simply posted my qualifications and shared experiences to let you and others know I speak with some authority.
Those of you joining in criticism of certain denominations, Christians and Christianity are doing much worse than giving Christianity a black eye. You are in fact behaving like Islamic jihadists and at the lest aiding, abetting and supporting them in your and their attacks on Christians and Christianity.
None of you have any justification whatsoever for criticizing any Christian, Christians or Christianity in public.”****
TM: It seems to everyone else that practically ALL you do is boast of yourself. Your qualifications, your superiority, your righteousness etc etc. I’m sorry but you ONLY speak with authority where your words line up with SCRIPTURE after that you assume an authority you do not have as once you have spoken it is still up to the INDIVIDUAL to listen or not and the Holy Spirit that does the work.
You LOVE to question the authority of everyone else but assert that YOU speak from authority when you routinely refuse to answer the same critiques and questions you level at others.
I fear there is really nothing we can say to each other. Gods’ word makes QUITE clear what is and is not Christian. Calling oneself Christian doesn’t make it so and groups can cloak themselves in “Christ” all they like but if their teaching doesn’t align with Gods’ word; they are FALSE prophets..
YOU say we don’t have any justification for judging any Christian/s then you proceed to do it to us many times over…. YOU are right with God, Ordained, anointed, and educated all to be our shepherd and if we refuse to cooperate, you’re fully justified in mocking us, calling us names and generally conducting yourself like a schoolyard bully.
Do you argue with Scripture? We DO, have not only the authority but the RESPONSIBILITY to test our institutions and leaders..
Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
Galatians 1:6-9 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Matthew 7:15-16 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
2 Peter 2:1-3 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
1 John 4:1-3 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
ANY person or group that teaches that Jesus is not God, that we need anything OTHER than the bible to know him and his will for our lives or that we will become Gods or ANYTHING, whatever contrary to scripture is NOT Christian no matter how many times they say it. I don’t know why ANY Bible believing Christian would pretend otherwise… :TM
****You are not qualified to teach me, PreacherBoy. You have no qualifications for the ministry you inherited if I recall your story correctly. You are the false prophet and a money-grubber abusing and misusing God’s Holy Word. Tell me, boy, what was Paul’s view on taking money for his service as Apostle to the Gentiles which eventually cost him his life?”****
TM: Then He Said :TM
****“What you do is boast and try to project your faults, flaws, traits and behaviors onto others – a sure sign of your insanity. You are right, there is nothing we can say to each other, and it is improper and inappropriate for you to be saying things about me to others. You are only trying to defame my character, harm me and my ministry, and I do have legal recourse to protect me from people like you and your hostile behaviors.”****
TM: There is NOTHING we can say to each other because YOU think you’re perfect and that NO one can tell you or teach you ANYTHING, least of all Scripture apparently, since you IGNORE every piece of scripture placed out to defend the fact that there IS a Biblical foundation for judging Christian organizations and leaders. We don’t get to pick and choose which scripture we will live by and listen to.
I am sure you justify CONSTANTLY threatening to sue professing believers by imagining that we are all NOT Christians. Funny that, since you tell everyone else they can’t judge Christians. Physician HEAL thyself. Hold yourself to the standard you expect of others and you would not post HALF of what you do.
PLEASE sue me as this proves you are NO Christian at all. I will be GLAD to make you and your so called representatives look foolish in court should you wish to pursue that un-Scriptural approach. Just as I’ve done here and am about to do again. HOW can I hurt your ministry? I don’t know who you are or where you are. My words are directed to people ALREADY discussing you and not strangers or your “parishioners”. You also IGNORE the fact that I’ve got proof of DOZENS of times that you’ve insulted me, my ministry and my family name and on and on…
So who is defaming whom and WHO is insane?
STOP pretending to be the big important man and either read your Bible and OBEY it or COME on down to central Indiana and sue me and waste your time! I am not hiding behind internet anonymity. You can easily find me.
Since you insist upon on acting like a child…………
I will treat you like a child and rebuke you PUBLICLY.
IF you respond to me even ONE more time I will post a shout out containing this post with your name on it addressed to ANYONE who knows you. I fear neither man nor what man can do to me
and certainly not a proven braggart who is all boast and no bite of ANY kind.
I will no longer wish you Gods blessings or good day as you deserve nothing but the shunning of all Christians until you repent of your childish, abusive and deplorable conducts. Many of us have tried a friendly approach and it has become worse than talking to the fool who denies God. You CLAIM to believe in and serve the same God we do and then you refuse to debate using his word or hold yourself accountable TO it.
So, good riddance I guess. Unlike YOU, I DO have more pressing matters of ministry for the Lord to tend to. :TM
****”This is tongue-wagging as mentioned in the Bible, and an example of the tongue-wagging at it worst. I have not reviewed what you posted on your website and am so busy in my ministries, presently in the Middle East for a while since September and to not really have the time or interest right now to check out what kind of one-sided story you presented without affording me the courtesy of commenting on it before you published it.
That’s the kind of person you are”****
TM: More of the insults slander and defamation you CRY about in others.
You are MORE than aware of the page as I told you LAST year that I would not respond to you any further unless you posted THERE since I had taken the time and trouble to post much of our debate on one page to make things easier for those who wished to read it. With entire quotes from you unedited…
READ my last response to you sent before this. The gloves are off and I will NOT talk to you anymore. IF you want to talk to me you can SUE me if that is what you want to do.
Respond to me ONE more time and I WILL actively seek to share your words and conduct with anyone and everyone you know. No more games it is time to be held accountable.
You CLAIM to be so busy serving the Lord but you have PLENTY of time to make an online annoyance an ASS of yourself to ANYONE who doesn’t agree with every word YOU say, mostly unsupported by and devoid of scripture.
THAT is the kind of person YOU are. DO NOT address me again. :TM
****“How very unchristian of you to threaten me so and to call me an ass. Try to carry out your threat. That will give me an abundance of evidence for filing and winning a civil suit against you. I hope your “ministry” preacher boy is worth something. I will own it.”****
I never threaten. That is your bag. I tell people what I am going to do and I see it through! Apparently you can’t read because I never said anything about you being ass. You threaten people repeatedly but when people take exception and stand up to your bullying you CRY like you’re the wronged party. STOP talking and do something or leave me alone. I will NOT respond to anything you say but I WILL share our conversations with EVERYONE. Good bye.
****“Preacher, I am giving you fair warning – Cease and Desist. You are a liar, charlatan and a fake just as we are warned of in Bible prophecy – ” you have PLENTY of time to make an … ASS of yourself.”
I am on mission right now overseas and have no more time for your Satanic attacks, but I assure you I will deal with you in due time.”****
TM: I typed a response and actually submitted but chose to remove it and post a simple Buh Bye as I had every intention of moving the discussion here and then washing my hands of it to which I received.. :TM
****”No, hello. You have returned to harass and attack me while I am on an overseas mission trip for the Lord, literally at risk of my life in a most dangerous place. Apparently you are too stupid to know or care that you are interfering with the work of the Lord. You are going to pay dearly for it PreacherBoy, especially when you stand before The Judge on your judgment day.” And then “What happened to your post Preacher? No matter. I have it for the legal file against you.”***
TM: Before I start to finish up here I want to address a couple of points. I hope you will all forgive me that with all the exchanges on the discussion thread at http://youngcons.com/40-mind-blowing-quotes-from-barack-obama-about-islam-and-christianity/#comment-1080531692 I missed that I said he had plenty of time to ACT like an ass. That is not the same thing as actually calling someone an ass but I’m not going to get into parsing terms like a lawyer. The point is, a fair reading of the conduct of RonMAr leaves almost EVERYONE he comes in contact with muttering “What a hateful ass”. I’m sorry but the truth is the truth and I’m not in the business of hiding the Truth, watching my words or being politically correct. I calls ‘em likes I sees ‘em.
If anyone needs any more proof of the type of cold, hurtful, hateful and condescending person RonMar TRULY is; how about this repeated quote against Bodey043 “Who appointed you judge, sick little boy who lost a son and does not know how to deal with it other than to attack other Christians, particularly women?”
My Lord, where is the understanding, the love, the pain for the grieving loss of a son? NO, this “Christian” uses the knowledge of one of Bodeys most painful memories as a bludgeon upon him! Who is acting like an agent of Satan? You have to be cruel if not evil to treat people this way.
ONE more example of how he has treated petroskhan “…you do not behave at all like a Christian but rather like an Islamic jihadist attacking Christians and Christianity. I also know you are arrogant, egotistical, self-centered and ignorant, and that you love arguing endlessly…are dishonest, a liar and a game player.”*** Pot meet kettle please!
Here is what little is known about RonMar from his own blurb or about on Disqus….
“Retired US military officer with 21 years active duty, 38 years total in uniform. University assistant professor, teacher in various disciplines including aviation, boating, history, leadership and management. Graduate degree in counseling psychology, trained, certified and practiced counselor. Professional writer and editor. Founded and served as CEO of several, diverse, small businesses, all successful. Saved at age 14, called to ministry in 2000, seminary graduate, ordained, working minister and missionary particularly to Muslims and others in the Middle East and here, soldier in the Army of God resisting attacks on Christians and Christianity, minister to less fortunate people. Son of a WWII veteran, father of two sons – an attorney, and a retired AF fighter pilot. Two grandchildren.”
Oh, my goodness! He IS accomplished but that’s nothing just wait until you see him walk on water whilst turning it into wine AND bottling it! I’m surprised he didn’t say he also had the Congressional Medal of Honor, a Nobel Peace Prize and had been Times man of the year TWICE, he was named Sexiest Man Alive in 1946 & 47 and Sexiest Woman also in 1947! He is the currently reigning three time world (MMA) Mixed Martial Arts Champion, currently serves as Vice President of the United Sates, currently holds the Guiness books world record for most words typed whilst simultaneously patting yourself on the back with both hands, and has never failed at anything except finding anyone else half as perfect, righteous and talented as himself. Also, he displayed great promise as a musician while playing the Kazoo at seven years old and undoubtedly could have been a musical prodigy had he not been so damn busy running his first successful business, a paper route. Notice something odd here though? Since he never uses his real name or says WHERE he ministers, who ordained him, where he went to college or seminary, where he supposedly teaches what businesses he supposedly founded or was CEO of we have NO way of knowing what if ANYTHING he posts about himself is true. Funny how THAT works isn’t it.
I also notice that for such an accomplished man of God I have yet to see a SINGLE person come out supporting him or liking his comments when he goes on his hateful, derisive and scornful tirades against others. Many times what he is objecting to is people refusing to stand for false prophets and false Gospels. If you left a church because of cult like adherence to some “prophet” whose work is held up to and with the Bible or otherwise call out the same types of people and groups YOU are the problem.
I also can’t help but wonder if one son really IS a lawyer, might that explain his penchant for constantly threatening litigation in an UN-Christian and UN-scriptural manner.
This man says things about me that are provably and demonstrably false that he has ZERO proof of and then wants to sue ME when I say things there are AMPLE proofs of.
In Indiana under Title Code 34 for Libel and Slander you must be able to PROVE the Libel, meaning you must be able to SHOW the person knew the statement was untrue and/or show that said statements caused ACTUAL damages. Oddly, this protects ME and not RonMar. He KNOWS full well, that I am NOT a paid minister, that I did NOT inherit my ministry. My family pays all the operating costs of Truth Ministries ourselves sacrificially; it was a calling from God that I resisted for years and finally submitted to. I serve the Lord, my community and others through this ministry at COST to myself and have not received money for any services or ministry whatsoever.
The Bible is QUITE clear that Believers do not threaten to or take each other before secular authorities.
1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.
7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather [suffer yourselves to] be defrauded?
8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that [your] brethren.
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Since RonMar refuses to acknowledge the statements or judgments of ANY of the people he has discourse with, no matter how many times we ask and use scripture and since furthermore he actively SHIELDS his personal identity and ministry from us we have no recourse save GOD. 1 Samuel 24:12-13 The Lord judge between me and thee, and the Lord avenge me of thee: but mine hand shall not be upon thee. As saith the proverb of the ancients, Wickedness proceedeth from the wicked: but mine hand shall not be upon thee.
However…IF RonMar ever tries to make good his oft repeated refrain to sue me, or any other Christian to my knowledge, I will file a countersuit or assist others in the same. There is a Biblical prescription for this as a last resort as well in Matthew 18:15-17 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he will not hear [thee, then] take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell [it] unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
Since he will NOT hear or recognize ANY of the multitudes of Christians who have tried to tell him of his trespasses, or our faults with him, he should realize we have no choice but to consider him as a heathen and Publican if he acts against us. He should further realize that in the normal process of discovery for trial and through court filings we will have access to his ACTUAL name and will then be able to also find out how much of his bragging is truthful and be able to write letters with evidence of his abuses and threats to take believers to court and direct same to his spiritual authorities, ordaining body etc.
RON please pay attention! No man is an island and man does not live in a vacuum. Actions have consequences and for every action there is a RE-action.
Do NOT think for one moment that you can LIE, harass, insult, bear false witness and then dare to imagine, you can threaten a person, families or ministries finances to soothe your thin skinned and bruised ego.
In the real world, if you attack people, somebody eventually stops you. You’ve hid behind your internet anonymity and played the big man long enough. By the grace of God, by his will and permission and with his help; I will stop you.
I will do this not for myself but for ALL the people you’ve abused who are too good natured to do anything or who’ve been cowed by your threats of lawsuits or for whatever reason have allowed themselves and others to be mocked, vilified and repeatedly abused.
Lastly, folks let us remember the internet admonition. Don’t feed the trolls. Don’t waste your time with folks who show NO Christian love, NO desire to learn, no humility, honesty or decency towards others. We judge a tree by its’ fruits and we are expected to treat ALL people with love and respect, even our enemies. I will be blacklisting RonMar. I will not read ANYTHING he posts ever again until and unless he reaches out and apologizes. Until he repents to God for the wrongs he has heaped upon me and so MANY others. In accordance with scripture I will pray for him and I will forgive him.
He quite possibly is suffering from Narcissistic Personality Disorder which might explain his inability to consider that he is ever wrong or that anyone else knows ANYTHING he doesn’t or could ever be correct. He also could have complications due to some other Borderline Personality Disorder, which causes him to seek out, desire and compulsively aggravate and continue conflict and arguments. Or he could just be a disagreeable person who is desperately unhappy. He accuses other people of all the same things that he routinely does and adamantly refuses to see it. Pot meet kettle.
In closing I encourage ALL of you who have argued with or been attacked and abused by RonMar to stop giving him what he wants. BLOCK him. Don’t read his posts. Ignore him except to pray for him.