Don’t Feed The Trolls: A Response to My “Friend” RonMar

 

Please note: RonMars words will be marked by **** at start and finish and will be in quotes and my replies will be marked TM: at start and finish and will be in italics.

I have taken a few days to think about and pray about how to proceed. If you haven’t read “Exchanging Pleasantries With Another Christian” I ask that you PLEASE read it first as it gives some background on a discussion with direct quotes from over a year ago.. http://www.kjv-truth-ministries.org/?p=650 If you’ve already read it or already have personal experience with the man who calls himself RonMar and would like to jump right in, please do.

I hadn’t had any contact with this person in over a year. Last time I was rudely introduced to him by his attacking me for taking another person to task for using racist comments. His very first post to me was “Preacher what Deity died and left you as the judge of His created ones?” (This is particularly interesting since Ron LOVES to judge everything other people post and even places himself as the arbiter of who is Christian and who is saved.) I allowed him to have the last word, so to speak, last year but I compiled a greatest hits list of his comments and made the page I referenced above. It has been up for all that time and many people have found it an interesting read and I even have a friend and Christian Brother in Australia now partially thanks to it. (Hi, Chris!)

This new experience in psychological abuse started again with HIM posting to ME. I was exchanging posts with petroskhan a fellow disqus poster and little did I know that by agreeing with him I was opening myself up to literary, psychological and I believe, spiritual attack by RonMar. AGAIN, he posted to ME first with

****“ What? You are allowing yourself to be duped by a charlatan, a force against Christians and Christianity.”****

So, his first post again was an attack but this time on petroskhan. This goes on routinely btw with petroskhan and pretty much ANYONE with whom RonMar disagrees. Here are just a few quotes lifted from the discussion of RonMar attacking petroskhan….

****“I gave you God’s WORDS. You can heed it or not, ayor. You must remember, you do not tell me what to do. I tell you. I am the one with authority by virtue of being called, education, experience, training and ordination; you are not. You are an agent of Satan attacking Christianity and Christians like an Islamic jihadist.” Or “You don’t know the teachings of the Bible. You can’t even read the Bible properly and correctly. You, poor thing, are so delusional, such a liar or both. You are no Christian or anyone to judge who is or is not, those who are in fact Christians or anyone else. You are, in fact, an agent of Satan attacking Christianity and Christians as evidenced by your assaults on certain denominations and their adherents. In that respect you behave like an Islamic jihadist.” Or ”… “You don’t know God, let alone His teachings. You are the coward and liar trying to project your traits and behaviors onto me and others – a sure sign of your insanity.” Or “…go away forever and concentrate on attaining your salvation which you presently do not have.”, and “Get serious or seek help from a psychiatrist”**** Lather rinse and repeat and I think you get the idea. He has, in a quote to me, also referred to ptroskhan as “pet and petroSKHAM” which seems to be a portmanteau fabricated to again abuse him and his Christinity as a sham and scam.

I will post a few quotes exchanged between RonMar to me later but first I would like to make a point. I TRY very hard day by day to be what God wants me to be. Like all of us, some days I fail and some days are better than others. 2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. I believe this but I also know that the old man never truly dies completely and sometimes, just maybe, that also is what God wants. We are all a conglomeration of our experiences, memories, upbringing, schooling, training etc. God helps to refine and focuses us, to emphasize the things he can use, our better qualities and talents and helps us control or tamp down the negativity, bad habits etc.

If you ask the people who REALLY know me, like my wife and kids they would tell you that I truly AM a new person in Christ. The man that I used to be just doesn’t seem to be in charge of the building any longer. I thank God for that but I also know that a large part of who I am is because I grew up in Detroit and also lived for awhile on the streets of NYC as a runaway. After that I also spent four years in the Army. All of these experiences taught me things and also helped to shape who I became as an adult. A LOT of that was mitigated, shaped and smoothened by a patient God. Through his grace and mercy and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit MANY things changed. God sent me a wonderful woman who is a love, support, comfort and sounding board for me. She helps me to focus and to see things I otherwise might not. She, like most GOOD women, helps me to be more of what I should and less of the man I was.

That being said, I learned to stand up for myself as a teen and there were literally times I might have been killed had I not the skill to defend myself and a spirit that was unafraid of confrontation. (NO pride intended as God gave me those traits) Today, I don’t mind so much when people attack ME; but because the Lord has given me passion for righteousness, truth, and justice; I can no longer stand idly by while others are attacked, lies are told or people are being unfair to each other.  RonMar has abused and threatened many of us including repeated threats of lawsuits against ANYONE who dares actually stand against him as he rails against everyone else as some sort of Online King and Judge of all men.

Where and when possible I DO believe (and the Bible says) that we have a responsibility to suffer wrong, to live in peace with all and to even turn the other cheek when attacked. It also says that there IS a time to fight, that self defense is a right and that we should ALWAYS be willing to help and defend others. I don’t think God expects us to be door mats, and he certainly doesn’t expect us to stand by when someone routinely and habitually with malice of forethought attacks people, calls them names, defames them, their character, their witness, ministry for the Lord and even their salvation!

Bullies MUST be confronted; their attacks must not be allowed to go unanswered and their blatant false witness and lies rebuffed.

Here are a few exchanges RonMars words will be marked by **** at start and finish and in quotes and my replies will be marked TM: at start and finish and will be in italics.

****“If you ever learn to read, read my post”…” I remember you. I have not boasted but rather simply posted my qualifications and shared experiences to let you and others know I speak with some authority.
Those of you joining in criticism of certain denominations, Christians and Christianity are doing much worse than giving Christianity a black eye. You are in fact behaving like Islamic jihadists and at the lest aiding, abetting and supporting them in your and their attacks on Christians and Christianity.
None of you have any justification whatsoever for criticizing any Christian, Christians or Christianity in public.”****

TM: It seems to everyone else that practically ALL you do is boast of yourself. Your qualifications, your superiority, your righteousness etc etc. I’m sorry but you ONLY speak with authority where your words line up with SCRIPTURE after that you assume an authority you do not have as once you have spoken it is still up to the INDIVIDUAL to listen or not and the Holy Spirit that does the work.

You LOVE to question the authority of everyone else but assert that YOU speak from authority when you routinely refuse to answer the same critiques and questions you level at others.

I fear there is really nothing we can say to each other. Gods’ word makes QUITE clear what is and is not Christian. Calling oneself Christian doesn’t make it so and groups can cloak themselves in “Christ” all they like but if their teaching doesn’t align with Gods’ word; they are FALSE prophets..

YOU say we don’t have any justification for judging any Christian/s then you proceed to do it to us many times over…. YOU are right with God, Ordained, anointed, and educated all to be our shepherd and if we refuse to cooperate, you’re fully justified in mocking us, calling us names and generally conducting yourself like a schoolyard bully.

Do you argue with Scripture? We DO, have not only the authority but the RESPONSIBILITY to test our institutions and leaders..

Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Galatians 1:6-9 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Matthew 7:15-16 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

2 Peter 2:1-3 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

1 John 4:1-3 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

ANY person or group that teaches that Jesus is not God, that we need anything OTHER than the bible to know him and his will for our lives or that we will become Gods or ANYTHING, whatever contrary to scripture is NOT Christian no matter how many times they say it. I don’t know why ANY Bible believing Christian would pretend otherwise… :TM

****You are not qualified to teach me, PreacherBoy. You have no qualifications for the ministry you inherited if I recall your story correctly. You are the false prophet and a money-grubber abusing and misusing God’s Holy Word. Tell me, boy, what was Paul’s view on taking money for his service as Apostle to the Gentiles which eventually cost him his life?”****

TM:  Then He Said :TM

****“What you do is boast and try to project your faults, flaws, traits and behaviors onto others – a sure sign of your insanity. You are right, there is nothing we can say to each other, and it is improper and inappropriate for you to be saying things about me to others. You are only trying to defame my character, harm me and my ministry, and I do have legal recourse to protect me from people like you and your hostile behaviors.”****

TM: There is NOTHING we can say to each other because YOU think you’re perfect and that NO one can tell you or teach you ANYTHING, least of all Scripture apparently, since you IGNORE every piece of scripture placed out to defend the fact that there IS a Biblical foundation for judging Christian organizations and leaders. We don’t get to pick and choose which scripture we will live by and listen to.

I am sure you justify CONSTANTLY threatening to sue professing believers by imagining that we are all NOT Christians. Funny that, since you tell everyone else they can’t judge Christians. Physician HEAL thyself. Hold yourself to the standard you expect of others and you would not post HALF of what you do.

PLEASE sue me as this proves you are NO Christian at all.  I will be GLAD to make you and your so called representatives look foolish in court should you wish to pursue that un-Scriptural approach. Just as I’ve done here and am about to do again. HOW can I hurt your ministry? I don’t know who you are or where you are.  My words are directed to people ALREADY discussing you and not strangers or your “parishioners”. You also IGNORE the fact that I’ve got proof of DOZENS of times that you’ve insulted me, my ministry and my family name and on and on…

So who is defaming whom and WHO is insane?

PLEASE….

STOP pretending to be the big important man and either read your Bible and OBEY it or COME on down to central Indiana and sue me and waste your time! I am not hiding behind internet anonymity. You can easily find me.

Since you insist upon on acting like a child…………

I will treat you like a child and rebuke you PUBLICLY.

IF you respond to me even ONE more time I will post a shout out containing this post with your name on it addressed to ANYONE who knows you. I fear neither man nor what man can do to me
and certainly not a proven braggart who is all boast and no bite of ANY kind.

I will no longer wish you Gods blessings or good day as you deserve nothing but the shunning of all Christians until you repent of your childish, abusive and deplorable conducts. Many of us have tried a friendly approach and it has become worse than talking to the fool who denies God.  You CLAIM to believe in and serve the same God we do and then you refuse to debate using his word or hold yourself accountable TO it.

So, good riddance I guess. Unlike YOU, I DO have more pressing matters of ministry for the Lord to tend to. :TM

****”This is tongue-wagging as mentioned in the Bible, and an example of the tongue-wagging at it worst. I have not reviewed what you posted on your website and am so busy in my ministries, presently in the Middle East for a while since September and to not really have the time or interest right now to check out what kind of one-sided story you presented without affording me the courtesy of commenting on it before you published it.

That’s the kind of person you are”****

TM: More of the insults slander and defamation you CRY about in others.

You are MORE than aware of the page as I told you LAST year that I would not respond to you any further unless you posted THERE since I had taken the time and trouble to post much of our debate on one page to make things easier for those who wished to read it. With entire quotes from you unedited…

READ my last response to you sent before this. The gloves are off and I will NOT talk to you anymore. IF you want to talk to me you can SUE me if that is what you want to do.

Respond to me ONE more time and I WILL actively seek to share your words and conduct with anyone and everyone you know. No more games it is time to be held accountable.

You CLAIM to be so busy serving the Lord but you have PLENTY of time to make an online annoyance an ASS of yourself to ANYONE who doesn’t agree with every word YOU say, mostly unsupported by and devoid of scripture.

THAT is the kind of person YOU are. DO NOT address me again. :TM

****“How very unchristian of you to threaten me so and to call me an ass. Try to carry out your threat. That will give me an abundance of evidence for filing and winning a civil suit against you. I hope your “ministry” preacher boy is worth something. I will own it.”****

I never threaten. That is your bag. I tell people what I am going to do and I see it through! Apparently you can’t read because I never said anything about you being ass. You threaten people repeatedly but when people take exception and stand up to your bullying you CRY like you’re the wronged party. STOP talking and do something or leave me alone. I will NOT respond to anything you say but I WILL share our conversations with EVERYONE. Good bye.

****“Preacher, I am giving you fair warning – Cease and Desist. You are a liar, charlatan and a fake just as we are warned of in Bible prophecy – ” you have PLENTY of time to make an … ASS of yourself.”
I am on mission right now overseas and have no more time for your Satanic attacks, but I assure you I will deal with you in due time.”**** 

TM: I typed a response and actually submitted but chose to remove it and post a simple Buh Bye as I had every intention of moving the discussion here and then washing my hands of it to which I received.. :TM

****”No, hello. You have returned to harass and attack me while I am on an overseas mission trip for the Lord, literally at risk of my life in a most dangerous place. Apparently you are too stupid to know or care that you are interfering with the work of the Lord. You are going to pay dearly for it PreacherBoy, especially when you stand before The Judge on your judgment day.” And then “What happened to your post Preacher? No matter. I have it for the legal file against you.”***

TM: Before I start to finish up here I want to address a couple of points.  I hope you will all forgive me that with all the exchanges on the discussion thread at http://youngcons.com/40-mind-blowing-quotes-from-barack-obama-about-islam-and-christianity/#comment-1080531692 I missed that I said he had plenty of time to ACT like an ass. That is not the same thing as actually calling someone an ass but I’m not going to get into parsing terms like a lawyer. The point is, a fair reading of the conduct of RonMAr leaves almost EVERYONE he comes in contact with muttering “What a hateful ass”. I’m sorry but the truth is the truth and I’m not in the business of hiding the Truth, watching my words or being politically correct. I calls ‘em likes I sees ‘em. 

If anyone needs any more proof of the type of cold, hurtful, hateful and condescending person RonMar TRULY is; how about this repeated quote against Bodey043 “Who appointed you judge, sick little boy who lost a son and does not know how to deal with it other than to attack other Christians, particularly women?”

My Lord, where is the understanding, the love, the pain for the grieving loss of a son?  NO, this “Christian” uses the knowledge of one of Bodeys most painful memories as a bludgeon upon him!  Who is acting like an agent of Satan?  You have to be cruel if not evil to treat people this way.

ONE more example of how he has treated petroskhan “…you do not behave at all like a Christian but rather like an Islamic jihadist attacking Christians and Christianity. I also know you are arrogant, egotistical, self-centered and ignorant, and that you love arguing endlessly…are dishonest, a liar and a game player.”*** Pot meet kettle please!

Here is what little is known about RonMar from his own blurb or about on Disqus….

“Retired US military officer with 21 years active duty, 38 years total in uniform. University assistant professor, teacher in various disciplines including aviation, boating, history, leadership and management. Graduate degree in counseling psychology, trained, certified and practiced counselor. Professional writer and editor. Founded and served as CEO of several, diverse, small businesses, all successful. Saved at age 14, called to ministry in 2000, seminary graduate, ordained, working minister and missionary particularly to Muslims and others in the Middle East and here, soldier in the Army of God resisting attacks on Christians and Christianity, minister to less fortunate people. Son of a WWII veteran, father of two sons – an attorney, and a retired AF fighter pilot. Two grandchildren.”

Oh, my goodness!  He IS accomplished but that’s nothing just wait until you see him walk on water whilst turning it into wine AND bottling it! I’m surprised he didn’t say he also had the Congressional Medal of Honor, a Nobel Peace Prize and had been Times man of the year TWICE, he was named Sexiest Man Alive in 1946 & 47 and Sexiest Woman also in 1947!  He is the currently reigning three time world (MMA) Mixed Martial Arts Champion, currently serves as Vice President of the United Sates, currently holds the Guiness books world record for most words typed whilst simultaneously patting yourself on the back with both hands, and has never failed at anything except finding anyone else half as perfect, righteous and talented as himself.  Also, he displayed great promise as a musician while playing the Kazoo at seven years old and undoubtedly could have been a musical prodigy had he not been so damn busy running his first successful business, a paper route.   Notice something odd here though? Since he never uses his real name or says WHERE he ministers, who ordained him, where he went to college or seminary, where he supposedly teaches what businesses he supposedly founded or was CEO of we have NO way of knowing what if ANYTHING he posts about himself is true. Funny how THAT works isn’t it.

I also notice that for such an accomplished man of God I have yet to see a SINGLE person come out supporting him or liking his comments when he goes on his hateful, derisive and scornful tirades against others. Many times what he is objecting to is people refusing to stand for false prophets and false Gospels. If you left a church because of cult like adherence to some “prophet” whose work is held up to and with the Bible or otherwise call out the same types of people and groups YOU are the problem.

I also can’t help but wonder if one son really IS a lawyer, might that explain his penchant for constantly threatening litigation in an UN-Christian and UN-scriptural manner.

This man says things about me that are provably and demonstrably false that he has ZERO proof of and then wants to sue ME when I say things there are AMPLE proofs of.

In Indiana under Title Code 34 for Libel and Slander you must be able to PROVE the Libel, meaning you must be able to SHOW the person knew the statement was untrue and/or show that said statements caused ACTUAL damages. Oddly, this protects ME and not RonMar. He KNOWS full well, that I am NOT a paid minister, that I did NOT inherit my ministry.  My family pays all the operating costs of Truth Ministries ourselves sacrificially; it was a calling from God that I resisted for years and finally submitted to.  I serve the Lord, my community and others through this ministry at COST to myself and have not received money for any services or ministry whatsoever.

The Bible is QUITE clear that Believers do not threaten to or take each other before secular authorities.

1   Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints? 

2   Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 

3   Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? 

4   If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church. 

5   I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren? 

6   But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers. 

7   Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather [suffer yourselves to] be defrauded? 

8   Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that [your] brethren. 

9   Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 

11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Since RonMar refuses to acknowledge the statements or judgments of ANY of the people he has discourse with, no matter how many times we ask and use scripture and since furthermore he actively SHIELDS his personal identity and ministry from us we have no recourse save GOD. 1 Samuel 24:12-13 The Lord judge between me and thee, and the Lord avenge me of thee: but mine hand shall not be upon thee. As saith the proverb of the ancients, Wickedness proceedeth from the wicked: but mine hand shall not be upon thee.

However…IF RonMar ever tries to make good his oft repeated refrain to sue me, or any other Christian to my knowledge, I will file a countersuit or assist others in the same. There is a Biblical prescription for this as a last resort as well in Matthew 18:15-17 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16   But if he will not hear [thee, then] take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17   And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell [it] unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

Since he will NOT hear or recognize ANY of the multitudes of Christians who have tried to tell him of his trespasses, or our faults with him, he should realize we have no choice but to consider him as a heathen and Publican if he acts against us. He should further realize that in the normal process of discovery for trial and through court filings we will have access to his ACTUAL name and will then be able to also find out how much of his bragging is truthful and be able to write letters with evidence of his abuses and threats to take believers to court and direct same to his spiritual authorities, ordaining body etc.

RON  please pay attention!  No man is an island and man does not live in a vacuum. Actions have consequences and for every action there is a RE-action.

Do NOT think for one moment that you can LIE, harass, insult, bear false witness and then dare to imagine, you can threaten a person, families or ministries finances to soothe your thin skinned and bruised ego.

In the real world, if you attack people, somebody eventually stops you. You’ve hid behind your internet anonymity and played the big man long enough.  By the grace of God, by his will and permission and with his help; I will stop you.

I will do this not for myself but for ALL the people you’ve abused who are too good natured to do anything or who’ve been cowed by your threats of lawsuits or for whatever reason have allowed themselves and others to be mocked, vilified and repeatedly abused.

Lastly, folks let us remember the internet admonition. Don’t feed the trolls. Don’t waste your time with folks who show NO Christian love, NO desire to learn, no humility, honesty or decency towards others. We judge a tree by its’ fruits and we are expected to treat ALL people with love and respect, even our enemies. I will be blacklisting RonMar. I will not read ANYTHING he posts ever again until and unless he reaches out and apologizes. Until he repents to God for the wrongs he has heaped upon me and so MANY others. In accordance with scripture I will pray for him and I will forgive him.

He quite possibly is suffering from Narcissistic Personality Disorder which might explain his inability to consider that he is ever wrong or that anyone else knows ANYTHING he doesn’t or could ever be correct. He also could have complications due to some other Borderline Personality Disorder, which causes him to seek out, desire and compulsively aggravate and continue conflict and arguments. Or he could just be a disagreeable person who is desperately unhappy. He accuses other people of all the same things that he routinely does and adamantly refuses to see it. Pot meet kettle.

In closing I encourage ALL of you who have argued with or been attacked and abused by RonMar to stop giving him what he wants. BLOCK him. Don’t read his posts. Ignore him except to pray for him.

About PreacherCruz

I am first and foremost a born again, Bible believing Christian. I was recently ordained and have decided to step out on faith and build my own personal and family ministry. I have been blessed in marriage to a wonderful woman for almost 20 years, I have two boys and one seriously spoiled cat. I am also an Army war veteran and a staunch conservative.
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  • Bodey043

    Here is an interesting exchange between Ronald Marlar and Petroskhan.

    http://godfatherpolitics.com/12677/may-ok-stone-atheists/#comment-1093815390

    It is odd that anyone who claims to be so accomplished as Ron would use such language as:

    “Now you two girly men – the lying, pretend Christian and his atheist
    buddy – need to get a room and get it on there, not here so others can
    see your disgusting and stupid behaviors.”

    • PreacherCruz

      Agreed! Amazing isn’t it the contortions this “Christian Minister” will go through just to insult others? He has twice come to the defense of RACISTS against me. In his mind when you’ve become his “enemy” all is fair including supporting vile racists. Of course he CLAIMS to go to a very integrated church and then says “This is one of the most outrageously stupid statements I have ever seen in regard to the human condition of God’s creation – ” ALL humans are one race and we
      should be MAD that people try to divide us into little subsets.” You are “MAD” as in insane if you believe, teach and preach such nonsense. It flies in the face of all of science and every day good sense. Do you actually believe a purpose of preaching God’s Holy Word is to rile people up, make them “MAD” as in angry, turn them against other people? Where did you learn such concepts of God and what He wants of His chosen people?”
      His stock and trade is insults, false witness and putting words in the mouths of others. Somehow, I am the bad guy and am trying to rile people up by telling them the TRUTH that the Bible ANY the Human Genome Project confirm… That we are all ONE race essentially NO different from eat other no matter what we might look like.
      He is really incredibly blind not to be able to see how his own words come across. He vacillates between telling me only HE decides if he will take legal action against someone and threatening to do it… All the while not realizing that EVERY thing he calls foul on In others he is guilty of multiple times over. IF he ever sues anyone he will lose to countersuit EASILY. HOW can you cry about someone doing to you what you to do to EVERYONE on a near daily basis?
      He honestly will look insane or as if he is suffering from early onset dementia or something.

    • PreacherCruz

      After having read all of that exchange I am strongly beginning to suspect that Ron may very well be under Demonic influence (obsession or possession perhaps) to continually act this way while calling everyone else out for rude, childish behavior etc.

      • Bodey043

        It is quite possible although I’m a firm believer that at our core (without cleansing of the Blood and the renewing power of the Holy Spirit) humans are capable of horrible behaviors without the help of demons.

        • PreacherCruz

          Absolutely. Man’s inhumanity to man is well established. When I ponder how this person CLAIMS to be Christian while defending NON-Christian practices, groups and parties along with routinely and habitually attacking Bible believing Christians I can’t help but wonder….

          HOW can someone CLAIM to be a Christian while acting out in such manner? My wife was CONVINCED at first that he must be a Liberal troll trying to give all Christians a bad name. When I think about his vicious and hateful attacks, his UTTER lack of humility and love and the way he can’t even seem to see the arrogance and wrongness of his posts… I can ONLY think that he has been sent STRONG delusion.

          Demons are arrogant, prideful and hurtful and they also refuse to use scripture correctly or to acknowledge the correct usage of it….

          • RonMar

            Thank you for all of this evidence against you for the coming defamation of character lawsuit.
            You need to start getting ready now to name with examples NON – why are you shouting online – Christian practices, groups and parties I have defended and any Christian I have attacked. All of that is a blatant, malicious lie intended to defame my character as an ordained and working minister, fyi, presently in the Middle East on Christian mission witnessing Jesus as the Christ to Muslims and others living here. Also, fyi, it is going quite well although I suffered a dislocated left hand ring finger and possible broken ribs, at least severe bruising to my upper left chest this past Shabat-Sabbath-I explain for you ignorant ones.
            You, like the liar using the name Bodey043, in fact Glen Stevens, who claims to be a member of a mega-church with a reported practicing homosexual pastor, must know much more th,an I do about demons since they dwell within you, certainly with you – free room and board in your corrupted selves. Glen calls the man at his church his “beloved pastor” by the way, and the church helped Glen go on a bacchanalian ship cruise celebration after his profoundly-handicapped son died prematurely as expected awhile ago.
            Some are wondering if the son was part of God,’s punishment of Glen for which he is now insane and lashing out against women especially and other Christians too.
            You really need to have your projection attempts seen about, preachercrud. They are a sure sign of your insanity. You have described yourself quite well right here – “Demons are arrogant, prideful and hurtful and they also refuse to use scripture correctly or to acknowledge the correct usage of it.”

            Your inability to deal with Scriptures properly is understandable since you have no education, according to you, in Bible study, theology, no seminary training at all; in other words are totally unqualified to do what you imagine you are and purport to do.

            Look up in the Bible the punishments for false teachers, preachers and prophets. It might scare you into seeking redemption and salvation. This could do it to and for you also: Matthew 25:31-46.
            Oh, btw, how did you get your “STRONG – shouting again online – delusion,” by FedEx, UPS, regular mail, e-mail, how? You sure got a lot of it.

          • PreacherCruz

            Oh, so NOW you’re going to sue again? AWESOME bring it on!

            I’m already well prepared just with the two pages on this site and you are apparently too blinded by the aura of your own ego to even see it!

            You have made a habit of abusing and insulting others including myself, bodey and petroskhan along with many others.

            EVERYTHING you cry about in others you yourself are FAR guiltier of.

            I have quote after quote of your own words, where you call people names, run down the intellect, education, beliefs and ministry of others, even including the grossest sort of language and sexual innuendo.

            BTW, for those who are honesty or online literacy challenged…. ONLINE SHOUTING IS POSTING IN ALL CAPS LIKE THIS! Not emphasizing certain words by occasionally capitalizing. Just one more example of your lying practices.

            You have and continue to support NON-Christian groups, “churches” and organizations by calling out others in their CORRECT and scriptural abandonment of same or opposition to same.

            Sola Scriptura and NO additional writings, “prophets” or teachings!

            God is judge between me and thee and he will not let you treat people this way for long. The judgment of God can only be postponed by his mercy for so long towards the unrepentant.

            I will let all thinking people with a Bible decide if they would rather listen to you or I and IF seminary training and advanced education is any indication of rightness with God according to his word. You claim to be the benevolent servant of God while you call people names like preachercrud? What are you eight?

            Your modus operandi is quite simple….

            1. Inform someone they are wrong (usually by jumping into a conversation that you weren’t even involved in).
            2. Assert your general superiority to all other humans within reach
            3. Reiterate how stupid and wrong others are
            4. Start insulting people for not immediately acknowledging you’re 100% right!
            5. After insulting intellect of opponent yet again, call them crazy!
            6. When people DARE to stand up to you, threaten to SUE!

            You are SO reliable in this that some posts to me and to others almost seem to be cut and paste verbatim repetitions! You lather, rinse and repeat this on a daily basis except for when you mix it up by attacking peoples salvation!

            WOW, get a life! I’ve already shown you NUMEROUS times from scripture that you’ve been wrong in your conduct. You IGNORE all points that others make even when accompanied by scripture… Just because….Well, because “I’m ALWAYS right and you’re wrong!” Sheesh its like talking to a ten year old Liberal!

            Hmm? Ronald G. Marlar or Mac Davis? I think I’ve found your song Reverend Perfect! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dg8NPPEms54

            I have now blocked you on disqus. Your email, ip address AND username! On the reason spot I put Tedious as this is how I feel talking to you is.

            PLEASE feel free to rail against me all you want I will not read your posts. I have NO need to defend myself against the likes of you. People see right through you fairly quickly.

            You, your situation and your behavior, would be sad if it weren’t so predictably funny.

            NOW, I think you see just how frightened I am of all your online bullying and whining. I encourage, exhort, cajole and INVITE you to come on down here and sue me so that I can win a judgment against you and get you to pay for my time and the frivolous filing of a lawsuit you can’t win.

            I’ve already told you how libel laws work in Indiana but apparently you know better on that subject too!

            Get a hobby or find a wife (I will pray you luck in that regard as your temperament seems to forbid this notion) then maybe you wont have so much time to fill arguing with people online!

        • RonMar

          Demonic as you are you should be expert on the subject. You certainly are not a decent, civil human being, not the way you routinely attack Christians, especially women.

          • Fred

            Just stopped by to point and laugh at the coward so ashamed of his posting activity he keeps it private RonMar.

          • PreacherCruz

            I hope that while you are here you will check out some of the more positive writings. As sad as I find the behavior of Ron I will not laugh at him or mock him. He somehow doesn’t see how bad he comes off to almost ALL the people he encounters and that is just sad. I pray for him often. God bless.

          • PreacherCruz

            Here is something just SAD. Ron sought out my Facebook page for Truth Ministries just to try to get mores stuff started after almost two weeks! I blocked him there too and responded with…

            ATTENTION PLEASE… For all those who saw the post by Ronald G Marlar
            (RonMar). This is a man who is basically an online stalker. He is a self
            righteous “Minister” for the Lord who routinely abuses ANYONE who doesn’t agree
            with him and refuses to acknowledge that he could EVER be wrong. I encourage you
            to read Exchanging Pleasantries with Another Christian http://www.kjv-truth-ministries.org/?p=650
            as well as Don’t Feed The Trolls: A Response to My “Friend” RonMar http://www.kjv-truth-ministries.org/?p=1127
            This “gentleman” and I have gone round and round and I’ve given him MORE than
            ample opportunity to respond to me. He calls me names like PreacherCrud and
            makes fun of me and others mercilessly, threatens to SUE us when we stand
            against him and generally conducts himself like a teenage cyber bully.

            I IGNORE and block him now because his hate and abuse have just gotten sad.
            This is a man who mocks others for losing children, leaving a “Church” with cult
            leanings that force them to treat false prophets & “prophecies” as equal to
            the Bible etc. He is a mean spirited, hateful man who cloaks himself in
            Christianity while making ALL Christians look bad!

            I had already blocked him almost two weeks ago and he seeks out my
            facebook page just to try to get stuff started again! This person needs to spend
            more time on himself and serving the Lord and less time seeking out
            confrontation. Some people just LOVE conflict and are apparently not happy
            unless they are arguing and making people miserable. He has NO power over me as
            I am fit and happy and serving God regardless of what some of my “Brethren” may
            do or wish upon me.

            God bless and don’t let all the haters and baiters get you down. Do what is
            right and let those who second guess you and call you names find other things to
            do. IGNORE them and deprive them of the attention they are so desperate for.

  • PreacherCruz

    WOW! I really must;ve hit a sore spot with old Ron! Remember his original short story autobiography on Disqus loaded with run on sentences?

    “Retired US military officer with 21 years active duty, 38 years total in uniform. University assistant professor, teacher in various disciplines including aviation, boating, history, leadership and management. Graduate degree in counseling psychology, trained, certified and practiced counselor. Professional writer and editor. Founded and served as CEO of several, diverse, small businesses, all successful. Saved at age 14, called to ministry in 2000, seminary graduate, ordained, working minister and missionary particularly to Muslims and others in the Middle East and here, soldier in the Army of God resisting attacks on Christians and Christianity, minister to less fortunate people. Son of a WWII veteran, father of two sons – an attorney, and a retired AF fighter pilot. Two grandchildren.”

    Well, he now has edited it to a more digestible “Retired US military officer with 21 years active duty, 38 years total in uniform. University assistant professor, teacher in various disciplines including aviation, boating, history, leadership and management.”

    Anyone else wondering WHY he removed references to his Graduate Degree, Writing and Editing Career, Personal history of successful business endeavors, ministry etc?

  • TheLump

    Hello, PreacherCruz. You don’t know me, nor I you. We approach life in fundamentally different ways yet, I had to post here because over the past few days I have come across (had a run in with) RonMar. In looking him up, generally, (his Disqus is marked private) I came across your writings of your experiences with him, along with a good many others.

    That’s all. Just a friendly show of support. Good day.

    • PreacherCruz

      I’m sorry for the tardiness of my response. I typically respond within 24 hours to all posts made. I have had one heck of a busy and tiring time since last Wednesday as we were preparing for my sons wedding! All went well and my wife and I now have a daughter through marriage. This was the first time I have performed a wedding ceremony and it was very humbling to have my son and his girl ask me to perform the ceremony.

      I think you might be very surprised to know who I was before coming to the Lord so don’t be TOO sure that we can’t understand each other just because we approach life in different ways. If you would care to expand on how you live your life and what your beliefs are I would be most agreeable to a discussion on same. This site exists to address questions and doubts about Christianity as I feel there are ALL too many people whose intellectual needs are not being addressed in many churches.

      I am more than happy to leave the subject of RonMar and his “ministry” alone as I’m sure you’d agree my writings have already adequately addressed his hateful abuses of everyone with whom he disagrees. Though I too find it odd that he would “follow” me just so he can see what I am saying and look for opportunities to attack me and takes sides with ANYONE even vile, self identified racists while keeping his own activity set to Private.

      I certainly do appreciate a kind word as they can sometimes be few and far between in coming. I just recall that scripture teaches this is okay and can even mean you’re doing exactly the right thing… Jesus said in Luke 6:22-33

      Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man’s sake.

      Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.

      But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation.

      Woe unto you that are full! for ye shall hunger. Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep.

      Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.

      But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,

      Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.

      And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.

      Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.

      And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

      For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.

      And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.

      • TheLump

        Oh, no apologies needed. I didn’t actually expect a response. (Thanks for doing so anyway) As far as life approaches go, I’m an atheist, but not anti-theist. I think a great many people think that fundamental life differences necessitate opposition, but that’s not me. Stay well.

        • PreacherCruz

          You’re a breath of fresh air to me friend! All TOO many Atheists are hateful and militant. I can’t even tell you how many times I’ve encountered Atheists who post on ANYTHING Christian just to bash and start trouble. It is a weird sort of anti-proselytization that I just can’t get my head around.

          As a Bible believing Christian I believe that those who reject Christ will face damnation. WHY do Atheists feel such a hateful need to convert others to their faithless ways? I understand this isn’t you and I mean no offense I just don’t get it.

          If there are any questions you would ever like to put to me I stand ready to do my best to help you to see why I believe. I can certainly be civil and wish you the best even if you’ve NO interest in talking about it. Wish more people could respect the views and beliefs of all people without having to mock and vilify those with whom they disagree!

          I wish you the best and if you wont take offense I will still pray for you and wish you Gods’ blessings.

          • TheLump

            I take no offense. You may pray for me all you like. I understand the need to convert others. It’s just a way of getting others to see things as you do. What I don’t understand is the vitriol and lambasting of those of different beliefs. Being snotty and aggressive will get no one to look at your opinion seriously.

            Thank you for your time. Be well.

          • PreacherCruz

            I just want to clarify… Really in the grand scheme of things people thinking like me is pretty low on my priority list. If it weren’t for the fact that I believe those who reject Christ are lost I surely wouldn’t be running this ministry or trying to have these conversations. It is MUCH easier to accept all people as they are and to “agree to disagree” than it is to actually engage people in meaningful and substantive debate…

            I’m not exactly a lazy person but I have more than enough going on in my own family without trying to constantly influence others to come to my way of thinking. Ultimately, I feel it is of SUCH importance that I overcome my own natural inclination to do what I believe to be right.

            Contrary to what people like Ron might think, I don’t make money for/from this ministry. I’ve never even tried to set up the affiliate links etc. This site is run out of my family budget and we pay for all of it sacrificially. Just ordered Pens and Keychains for Christmas and will be ordering new Christmas Tracts too. All of this is in addition to whatever we will do to help people around Thanksgiving and Christmas. Christ has influenced us to give and to do for others even when it isn’t convenient for us… That is the power of faith and belief to me, it REALLY changes people and causes them to want to do more in Jesus name.

            Not to say that NON religious people aren’t charitable because many of them are but the vast majority of private charities are ran by people of faith trying to live their faith.

  • PreacherCruz

    Poor Ronald G Marlar. He continues to chase me around online to post childish name calling and “virtual spitting”. He “Follows” me on Disqus just to continue to try to get the attention he so desperately requires all while keeping his own posting Private.

    WHO exactly is the COWARD? It is just plain sad when I have NON-Christians coming to this site just to read these posts because of their own horrible interactions with Ronmar.

    Calling everyone with whom you disagree names like boy and crud etc etc alluding to Atheists and Christians having online discussions engaging in homosexual conduct, using knowledge of grief and mourning against others and as the latest insult online spitting on others?

    Yes, this is truly the conduct of one who calls themselves by the name of Christ. The old man side of me thinks I should let this go and leave him to his own devices, to stop even praying for him….

    I will pray for myself first that God will continue to give me the strength to ignore the attacks against myself and then I will pray that God sends Ron a deliverance from the current spiritual influence he struggles under that tells him his conduct is acceptable and even proper.

    When Ron gets back from Tel Aviv (he really Is in the Middle East according to his IP address information back when I blocked him) to Florida if he still wants to sue me, like he has repeatedly threatened to do I INVITE him to do so and I will certainly keep all of you apprised of the outcome of said hilariously blind endeavor…

    Can you imagine trying to sue someone for running down your name and ministry efforts, when you habitually and routinely abuse people in FAR worse and more disgusting ways?

    • Bodey043

      It seems Ron has a new ungodly and unhealthy target for his fascination. I would ask on what sites he continues to target you, but I don’t really want to give this blasphemer, liar, and internet troll any more of my time.

      By the way, thanks for keeping up the good fight!

      • PreacherCruz

        Your phrasing almost makes it sound like you’re saying I am unhealthy and
        ungodly and that is why he is targeting me. I know that isn’t what you meant but
        poor old Ron will think you’re trying to take sides with him. Just kidding to
        all parties involved.

        He follows me around and posts on ANYTHING I say ANYWHERE through Disqus. He
        attacks me over things we SHOULD agree on (if we truly BOTH are Bible believing
        Christians) like the motivations of Atheists and even going so far as to attack
        my service and myself. In the discussion here http://politicaloutcast.com/2013/11/government-compassion-homeless-man-denied-medicaid/#comment-1126965182

        I posted “From a Persian gulf Army Vet (Desert Shield/Storm) allow me to
        thank you for your service Brother! I actually felt terrible when I was coming
        back to Indiana and everywhere we stopped we had parents and siblings of other
        service people, as well as complete strangers thanking us, shaking our hands and
        hugging us… If only ALL our warriors were treated the way they deserve and
        not just those of us who happened to serve during a “popular” action or
        war!”

        To which his response was “I’m sure a lot of people “actually felt terrible
        [that you came] back to Indiana” or anywhere else at all. Were your “parents and
        siblings [the] other service people” Kuwaitis, Saudis, Israelis or others from
        the region? Were they American Taliban like you with your running your mouth on
        your blog site and not allowing me the Freedom of Speech and Religion to respond
        to your lies and attempts to defame my character? “If only [you] treated
        [others] the way they deserve and [you want to be treated]” “If only” you had a
        brain functioning above reptilian level, were really a true, patriotic American
        and Christian as you pretend you are, you might be found acceptable by The Judge
        on your Judgment Day.”

        WOW! This guy is just like a ten year old, He just won’t ever let ANYTHING
        go. He wants to follow me around and continue to attack everything about me
        while blocking his own posting history and crying about me mistreating him!

        The best revenge is a life well lived and I am happy, well and loved. I
        don’t have any desire nor much time to WASTE engaging people who will NOT deal
        honestly, think they can NEVER be wrong and somehow find Biblical justification
        for hateful abuse, name calling, crude and crass sexual comments/implications,
        impugning the characters, names and ministry efforts of people he doesn’t know
        etc etc.

        Lies, false witness, condescension and hatred fairly ooze from his posts. He
        throws literary tantrums and waxes poetic about people screaming online for
        capitalizing CERTAIN words for emphasis while creating whole new ways to abuse
        people online like virtually and literarily spitting upon me! That is the first
        time I have EVER encountered ANYONE ever doing this. I honestly don’t think
        I’ve ever received such terrible treatment form people online and I have
        discussions with Atheists, supporters of baby killing, racists and militant gays
        and supporters!

        I think we should not just pray for Ron but DEFINITELY pray for anyone he
        actually does minister, witness to and teach. My Lord, I shudder to think what
        a group or body of RonMars could/would do. It would probably resemble the
        Westboro group except it would have a much wider scope for their hatred than
        just gays.

        If ONLY I could find a way to get him to stop following me.

        He repeats his tired old lies about me censoring his free speech too. NO one
        allows people who curse them, spit upon them, malign them, their heritage, their
        family name and basically ALL positions and beliefs to do so forever.

        Free Speech doesn’t mean you get to hate people in perpetuity and without
        challenge. It was designed to protect and support the free exchange of ideas
        not allow people to abuse people 24/7. Ron has shown, to MANY of us, he doesn’t
        really value the opinions, positions and beliefs of others. I guess the Free
        Speech in the Constitution was designed just to protect him?

        An analogous comparison that came to mind is imagine a militant KKK member,
        repeatedly calling a person all sorts of names every time they encounter them.
        Should that person just have to sit and take that because of “Free Speech”… More
        than this is this idea in ANY Way Christian?

        • Bodey043

          My apologies for the tone and wording of my comment!

          Most individuals demonstrate an amazing lack of understanding of what it means to have freedom of speech. First, all freedoms imply one will take responsibility for that freedom. Second, the Constitution guarantees that our speech will not be “limited” by government. A website which is lawfully managed by a private person, authored by a private person, and either hosted by or whose hosting is paid by a private person is governed by the lawful by-laws of that site.

          You already know, I am sure, that you are free to allow or disallow anyone who is violating the “rules” either stated or implied.

          But, our wayward brother is also aware that no one is required to tolerate insults on their own “front lawn.” He is also aware that other sites have deleted his insulting posts and even banned him outright.

          Have a blessed evening, brother!

          • PreacherCruz

            Not at all my brother. No apologies are necessary. THIS is how civilized people address each other but most especially CHRISTIANS. If we have a miscommunication or even a disagreement we don’t get out the long knives and start sharpening them we civilly and politely present the error, or explain ourselves.

            Agreed that many people seem not to understand the real points and responsibilities inherent with free speech. We shouldn’t be surprised though as we see all TOO often how people twist scripture or the laws to fit themselves.
            I was trying not to make the point of ownership of this ministry site. I am not upset that you bring it up though. I consider this site to be the Lords and I try to make sure that all content and conduct affirms and confirms this. That being said….

            This is a vocation of God. My family supports and runs it sacrificially out of our own family budget. The Lord asked me to do this and I am the sole human agent that decides what is said and what is posted here. I usually don’t edit people except to modify swear words or particularly offensive material like sexual references etc. Even then, if the point the person is trying to make is valid I will not censor their speech. I also owe NO man, organization or school my fealty, nor permission from any of same to share the gospel of Jesus and what he’s done for me…

            Unlike SOME people I don’t suppose that pieces of paper and permission slips somehow make me a fit candidate for service to the Lord. I think we ALL know that some of the most “authorized” and educated people are also some of the most offensive examples of false witnesses. The Osteens, Hinns and Bells of the American “Christian” movement are proof of this.

            Ron has the SOLE distinction of being the only REAL person who has even posted on this site that I’ve EVER blocked. As our history shows, I’ve given him MORE than ample opportunity to make his points or to rebut anything I’ve said up until the point that I got completely BORED of having to repeat myself and endure heaping helpings of abuse for no good reason and to no positive effect to ANYONE that I could reckon.

            Ultimately, these types of round and rounds where not only is neither party likely to change their positions but it has devolved to the level of ridiculous ad hominem attacks.

            HOW does that do anything for the kingdom of God. It doesn’t so I am done wasting time with it…

            It seems though that in and through all of this there has been some positive result in that many people are getting to see (most o the time and through NO fault or credit of my own) a hopefully scriptural example of how to handle those who would abuse you. TRY to love them, try to pray for them and most of all TRY not to waste too much time and emotional energy in endless contentions.

            God bless you Brother!

  • http://www.kjv-truth-ministries.org/ Preacher Cruz

    WOW! Good old Ron just can’t let it go…..

    PracherCrud, “I view [your] type of behavior as inexcusable” since you post
    on your alleged Christian, pro-American, US Constitution-supporting,
    money-begging blog site lies about me, trying to defame my character, and deny
    me the right to respond.

    I am confident to the max God will punish you to the max.

    I am so glad I am not you and not in the least like you – a
    lying first to yourself bag of pus.

    Open your Satan-inspired site, coward, let me respond to your pathetic lies.

    Sarcasm…. I sure am glad there are “Good” Christian men like this around to hold me accountable. By lying, bearing false witness and even running down my NAME with the repeated use of PreacherCruz… Then there’s the old standby of humility, being GLAD he is “better than me” and then right after calling me another vile name.

    I no longer respond to him at all and yet he just KEEPS following me around and attacking me on random posts that have NOTHING to do with him or our discussions.

    I will now have to make my posting private since I’m sure we are ALL sick of having to see these kinds of attacks.

    The last example of what a LYING, false witness bringing “Christian” this man is; the repeated lie that I’m a money grubber or that I have ever begged for money. Search this WHOLE site and you will only find a Donate button. I have only ever received ONE donation that went back into the work this ministry does. I’ve never made a single dollar for myself from ministry and I’ve never asked for or solicited donations a single time in the almost three years this site has been up.

    • Bodey043

      I am truly sorry that Ronald G. Marlar continues to bother you, and even worse, disparage your efforts.

      The greater shame is the black-eye that he has succeeded in giving Christianity with his thinly veiled profanity and/or vulgarity, his true hypocrisy, and use of the Word to justify his actions and words.

      While I recognize this is inference on my part, I would at all be surprised if he was actually an ardent atheist dressed in “lamb’s clothing.”

      God be with you!

      • http://www.kjv-truth-ministries.org/ Preacher Cruz

        No worries God is good and I am enjoying life even with the minor annoyance of a mosquito who won’t leave me be.
        I was only sorry there was no way to remove him as a “follower” or to keep him from tracking my posts other than to make all my activity Private.
        May God bless and keep you as well!

        • Bodey043

          Hope you and your family have a very Merry Christmas and the Happiest New Year!

          • http://www.kjv-truth-ministries.org/ Preacher Cruz

            Thanks so much! God bless and keep you and yours through the coming year as well.

        • Mark Bernhardt

          Preacher Cruz, I knew Ron Marlar both professionally and personally for 28 years. You did a fine job responding to his relentless onslaught — cyber stalking, character assassination, incivility, crudity and vitriol. You responded like a true Christian, your efforts were valiant; a fine example for all who followed the ‘action’ or had any prior contact with Ronmar.
          Ron’s demons were legion. He was plagued by life-long depression, paranoia and schizophrenia, alcoholism, oppositional disorder and a harsh, judgmental upbringing. As is often the case, the apple didn’t fall far from the tree. Of course, you and others could only conjecture about these things.
          Ron had an excellent seminary education, knew the bible and could quote scripture (“shoot bible bullets”) with the best of ‘em. Unfortunately, he was unrepentant, unable to manifest and share the fruits of the Holy Spirit because he didn’t know God. Ron was determined to transform God into his ideal image instead of the other way around. He could, as you noted, hone in on “the speck in his brother’s eye but fail to see “the log” in his.
          His “accomplishments” and credentials – military, education, business and seminary – were genuine. He earned a bronze star with “V” device for valor in combat during the Vietnam War, was a college professor, successful entrepreneur and small business owner. He did mission work in Cuba, biblical archeology in Israel, housed homeless people in his residence, taught high school for 10 years (how I met him) and was adored by his students because he went the extra mile on their behalf. Yes, he was prideful of his accomplishments.
          Preacher Cruz, I believe you were the Lord’s last chance (opportunity) for Ron Marlar to repent and choose a new path. Unfortunately, on 21 February, Ron chose to end his life.

          The battle with Ron is over. I hope my words bring you (and your family) a measure of peace. Ronald G. Marlar, R.I.P.

          Blessings,

          Mark Bernhardt
          Orlando, Florida

          • LR

            Wow! I just happened on this thread of “drama” – the repeated and over-the-top attacks of PreacherCruz by RonMar (and his attack on others). I ended up here. I began from reading the following article on the site “Last Resistance”:
            http://lastresistance.com/4830/air-force-honors-senior-master-sergeant-persecuted-christian-faith/
            At the bottom of the article I was scanning through the comments and was intrigued by Preacher Cruz’ comment about “judging”. We have an persistent issue in our family, from my husband’s side of the family (it’s very frustrating, damaging and painful for him/us), with a member judging and denouncing inappropriately. It always seems so ungodly and un-biblically based. However, I am always checking myself, “am I doing the same in reaction to this family member”. I continue to pray for this person – sometimes it is hard. They are extremely spiritually arrogant. It is a constant struggle and very humbling…
            Anyway, I digress, I followed the link to Preacher Cruz’ website and started to read the article, “Don’t Feed The Trolls: A Response to My “Friend” RonMar” (14-Oct-2013). But then, at the request of the author at the beginning of his article – since I had no knowledge of the on going dialogue, I went to the previous article by Preacher Cruz, “Exchanging Pleasantries With Another Christian…” (from 12-Jun-2012).
            Well, I followed this whole long discourse – very troubling. Right before I read this final post by Mark Bernhardt, I was indignant, repulsed and frankly angry at RonMar’s persistent un-Christian rants and bullying…
            Then, I read the above post that isn’t even 24 hours old… That filled in so many blanks on this bully’s borderline personality…
            It continues to amaze me how God works. Here is Preacher Cruz giving me a very Godly example of protocol and loving your enemy. I was rocked. If Preacher Cruz can do this with a total stranger who is belligerent and full of hate, God can certainly give me the fortitude and grace to do it for someone that I know, love and am called to honor.
            I want to thank you, Preacher Cruz, not only for showing me the way to deal with difficulty people with a “I AM superior Christian” complex, but your unwavering commitment to extend yourself to RonMar. Who know’s, maybe in those moments after Ron took his last breath on earth he had a lucid moment before final death. I believe that can happen for those who’ve at some point been presented with the Truth.
            blessings – keep on speaking the Truth!

          • http://www.kjv-truth-ministries.org/ Preacher Cruz

            Thanks so much for posting. I am stunned and humbled today as I see that God is strong and can use me despite my own weaknesses…

            So often we don’t know if what we do is really having any impact and it
            is amazing to see God working through something I’ve done.

            1 Timothy 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation,
            that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

            2 Corinthians 12:10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in
            reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ’s sake:
            for when I am weak, then am I strong.

            I hope you will read my above response to Mark too as it says a lot about how little credit I can take for this… ANYTHING of value that I am or can do is all of the Lord Jesus who made me and saved me.

            SO many words went back and forth I’ve not the time to review what I said…
            Can you please explain what you meant by “At the bottom of the article I was
            scanning through the comments and was intrigued by Preacher Cruz’ comment about “judging”.”….

            Are you referencing when I wrote “Since RonMar refuses to acknowledge the
            statements or judgments of ANY of the people he has discourse with, no matter how many times we ask and use scripture and since furthermore he actively SHIELDS his personal identity and ministry from us we have no recourse save GOD. 1 Samuel 24:12-13 The Lord judge between me and thee, and the Lord avenge me of thee: but mine hand shall not be upon thee. As saith the proverb of the ancients, Wickedness proceedeth from the wicked: but mine hand shall not be upon thee.

            Thanks for posting and I am SO glad that my experience could be of help to
            you. God bless.

          • http://www.kjv-truth-ministries.org/ Preacher Cruz

            Thanks so much for your kind words and the information. I am considerably humbled to consider that God is still using these discussions. I now feel the Holy Spirit was in it all along. As unpleasant as these discussions were they seem to be bearing positive fruit for the Lord…

            I assure you that MY first inclination as a Detroit raised boy who also served in the Army was to give as good as I got and wish mightily for a chance to meet Ron in person… The old man is always there we just have to subdue him and try to let him die so that Christ may live in his place.

            God is great and surpasses my ability and failings. Praise be to Jesus who made it possible for me to withstand these slings and arrows and turn what Satan and my frenemy meant for ill into something positive for my Lord.

            I’ve so far been unable to find any information about Ron passing if you have any information or an Obituary etc that would be appreciated. I would like to know to whom I might send condolences.

            God bless and thanks for the news sad though it is…

          • Bodey043

            Ronald’s unfortunate demise is indeed heart breaking. I cannot admit to being fond of him. And his using my family’s loss two years ago hurt deeply. But as with everyone, his vitriol stemmed from the fallen, sinful nature of all humanity. I truly wish and deeply hope that his final moments were spent repenting and placing his trust in the Lord.

            If you hear of arrangements or an obituary, I would appreciate your passing it on. God Bless!

          • http://www.kjv-truth-ministries.org/ Preacher Cruz

            Thus far I’ve been unable to confirm any information or details about Mr. Marlar. I too wish and pray repentance before death for him and peace and the knowledge and love of Christ for those he’s left behind. I hesitate to call him an enemy but it was clear that he thought of me as one. Either way, incidents like this seem to be exactly what Jesus meant when he told us to love and pray for our enemies.
            I’m still a little overwhelmed by the whole thing… God is so good and has shown such mercy unto me as undeserving as I am.

    • tellmeanotherone

      Preacher Cruz,

      I just read this entire series of posts. First of all I want to commend you for keeping the faith and attempting to respond as Christ would do to his repeated attacks. Thank you for your post explaining your use of caps in your responses. Until I read that explanation, I was feeling you were yelling just a bit at him.

      While some may consider this a nit (or a speck in your eye), I thought I might mention that your comment about receiving one donation in 3 years could be taken 2 completely different ways – especially if somebody wanted to attempt to start verbally beating you about the head and shoulders again. I understand your statement “I have only ever received ONE donation that went back
      into the work this ministry does.” to mean you’ve received a grand total of one donation, and that went back into the ministry. Unfortunately, given the ambiguity inherent in the English language, the statement “could” be twisted in such a way so as to have somebody respond with “So you’ve only put one donation back into the ministry. What did you do with the rest of them?”

      That being said, may God continue to use your ministry (and this page) to show others how to use a reasoned approach to deal with a bully. You gave me a good example of “be ready always to give an answer to anyone who asks of the hope that is within you with meekness and fear” 1 Peter 3:15b RonMar may not have been asking, but I’m sure others will come across this site with legitimate searching and questions; and they will be fed.

      • http://www.kjv-truth-ministries.org/ Preacher Cruz

        Anything of value I am or can achieve is thanks to he who has made and sustains me. Jesus the author of my faith is the ONLY reason I can withstand such attacks and not retaliate in some form or another…

        Point taken about how people look to twist the clear exegesis of text. People seem to have no problem whatsoever with eisegetical license. Whatever fits their own confirmation bias is what they will choose to see or glean from the text. I’m not responsible for the false thinking of others and won’t amend my words to be politically correct or shield myself from such as those. This ministry has been in existence and funded by my family personally for over three years now. We have no “operating budgets, wages, monthly offerings” or anything else. I am an UNpaid Minister for the Lord and my family feels blessed to run this meager work for the Lord as a small measure of return to the Lord who saved and continues to bless us.

        I am still receiving information on Ron Mar and his unfortunate end. I sincerely, thank God and ALL of you who’ve shared how this discussion has helped or blessed you. We are often not at all sure that our efforts are bearing fruit and it is a wonderful thing to see so many people got something positive out of this unpleasant experience.

        God bless and keep you.

        • Bodey043

          What, if anything more, have you uncovered about Ronmar’s passing?

          • http://www.kjv-truth-ministries.org/ Preacher Cruz

            I will send you an email in just a few minutes…

  • bdgrey

    Thank you for your post. I have witnessed these exchanges and I think the behavior is bullying and appreciate you standing up to him. I was always taught that Christians show other Christ through their behavior. Calling people names, belittling them and bullying are not behaviors to lead people to Christ.

    • http://www.kjv-truth-ministries.org/ Preacher Cruz

      I too believe that we can only TRULY lead others to Christ by showing them the love and forgiveness that has been shown to us. I SHUDDER to think how a person can be in active ministry to the lost while conducting themselves thusly….

      Seems to ME at least that they are more likely to drive people away from Christ with such behavior and be guilty of hampering the Holy Spirit.

  • Bodey043

    One month after the reported tragic passing of Ronmar, a distasteful, hateful, yet colorful man to say the least; it is reported that another man who attempted to “highjack” Christianity and create a god in his own imagine has passed, Fred Phelps. Christianity Today has an interesting and thought provoking analysis on how to respond to the passing of hate filled individuals.

    http://www.christianitytoday.com/edstetzer/2014/march/tragic-death-of-fred-phelps.html

    • http://www.kjv-truth-ministries.org/ Preacher Cruz

      Great article. Very thoughtful and helped me to refocus how I have felt about this situation. I sincerely hope that Ron is in the presence of Jesus and that any people he negatively impacted can forgive and move forward in seeking Jesus.