IS There A Right Way To Vote? My Personal Response To Ron Paul Supporters.

This lesson just might be the most difficult one I have ever endeavored to write.  It was prompted by discussions with some Ron Paul supporters in which I was mocked, vilified, and called dumb repeatedly, mainly by ONE particularly “fervent” Paul supporter.  Even when he tried to be civil he insinuated all the people who vote GOP (Republican) are evil or helping the Devil or that we are all idiots.  I finally became SO frustrated with trying to answer people civilly while being attacked that I threw in the towel.  This lesson will be an attempt to examine the various things that were discussed within the framework of how we are to vote as Christians.

Firstly, I would like to state up front that it is my opinion that votes are a matter of individual choice and personal conscience.   I will not personally attack anyone who thinks differently than I.  I will keep criticisms of politics to the candidate or the party, so PLEASE don’t take offense if I say something against your chosen Candidate or party.  Secondly, I would like to point out that I wish to be fair, honest, humble and approachable on this or any other lesson or opinion.  I am amazed at how often haughty, self righteous and belittling “Christians” put themselves out there as being BETTER than another because they hold a different opinion.  Some of these people see NO contradiction in calling you incompetent or ignorant and then saying you should be more humble and be willing to listen so that you might learn!  Humility works both ways and is not displayed by a proud, demanding, abusive or arrogant tone or demeanor.  Many people seem to see humility or the act of being humble as something that others should do and never think to apply it to their selves.

I will not sit here and claim that what I say is a word from the Lord because God really doesn’t have that much to say about voting, who we are to vote for or how.  I think it is very dangerous for us to speak to subjects upon which Jesus has not spoken either directly or through his word the King James Bible.  Isn’t it interesting that the Bible speaks of Rulers and governance REPEATEDLY but says NOTHING about voting or elections?

God does tell us to be active in our communities, to be positive influences and witnesses.  Does anyone really think this doesn’t extend to politics as well?  Our vote is a tangible way that we can show what we stand for or against.  The Bible refers to Satan as the “prince and the power of the air” in Ephesians 2:2 and “the ruler of this world” in John 12:31.  This theme is continued in 2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.  In the WORLD, that is to say among the lost people who Deny Jesus or don’t know him; SATAN is the ruler!  We need to realize this.  This is important in establishing what we can hope to accomplish in the world FOR Christ against a world that serves another.  Don’t get me wrong…………………………………………………

I KNOW right now that some people are going to say “nothing is impossible with God” or “what about “I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me””?  I think this will be a good time to touch upon what I think may be a fundamental worldview difference between many Christian Ron Paul supporters and Christian GOP voters.  Namely, that many if not most GOP Christian voters understand or believe that we are waiting for the return of Christ and that scripture CLEARLY dictates that certain things must happen and have in fact already been written.   Jesus says in Matthew 24:37 “But as the days of Noe (Noah) were, so shall also the coming of the son of man be”.  What was the world like before Noah got on the Ark?  Well, Jesus goes on to say in Matthew 24:38 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,.  There is MORE to the story on the days of Noah though!  Going back to Genesis 6:5-6And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. SO, the world will be like the days of Noah before the return of Christ.  Jesus says in Matthew 24:6-12 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows. Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.  This doesn’t mean that we give up.  To the contrary, we STAND and raise our voices for what is right and against what is wrong.  We just do so knowing that we will NOT be able to establish a sort of “Christian Utopia” nor should we try.  This society is evil.  God will give us, as a nation, over to our own selfish desires and we will reap what we sow……………………………………

This is why I feel that any attempt to instill a “True Christian” as President or to establish a Theocratic government is destined to fail.  I also find it somewhat questionable if not openly dishonest that many of the same people who support a candidate for being more “Constitutionally correct” seem to see no irony in taking others to task for not voting for the TRUE Christian or most Christian candidate.  IF we are going to hold our Constitution as the guiding directive of governance as our Founders intended then we, like ALL, are bound by it.  This Nation was raised with and created with a faith in God but it WASN’T ever intended to be a strictly “Christian” nation.

I take extreme issue with people claiming that voting for the lesser evil is still evil, especially when they ignore the evil in their chosen candidates’ positions.  While CERTAINLY this is basically a true statement, candidates are mostly reflections of their environment and supporters.  They are ALL human beings, sinful and fallible.  The same people, who rail against people voting Republican as evil, are all too willing to give their vote to a candidate who supports the legalization of prostitution and drug use.  We could sit here ALL day and argue about whether these issues should be illegal, whether they are states’ rights issues etc.  One thing there should be NO argument about is this…Legalizing drug use and prostitution will NOT give us a holier, better or safer society.  I point out Proverbs 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.  How can we vote for a candidate who supports sin or refuses to stand against it under the guise of being “Constitutionally Correct?”  Saying I am against Abortion, gay marriage, drug use and prostitution while simultaneously saying these are states rights’ issues is punting, shirking responsibility by booting it to the individual states.  Certainly, we may make this argument form a Libertarian standpoint or a STRICT Constitutional adherence one but NOT from a Christian one.  IF I say “I am against gay marriage personally, but I believe it’s a states’ rights issue” I am actually staking out a VERY safe position. I am TECHNICALLY 100% correct that it IS a states rights’ issue but as a CHRISTIAN I am to stand on Gods’ side and support and follow HIS laws.  Dr. Ron Paul says that he is against several different things PERSONALLY, and then he says that these issues should be decided at a state level.  Right is right and wrong is WRONG and we must oppose it as Christians.  It seems to me that people, especially Christians who support a candidate like Ron Paul are all too happy to let not only each person but each state go to Hell anyway they see fit.  How can this be?  Are we really going to leave the right to each state to sin freely and even normalize and codify sin as lawful?  Sin is action against the will of God.  We can let states say it is legal and permissible but it doesn’t change the way God views it.

This world lies in thrall to Satan. 1 John 5:19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.  Are we really going to concede the decision making on major issues of morality to a lost world and NOT stand against the evil?

When I look at Each of the main Candidates from a point of view of with whom I agree most often I get numbers sort of like this Obama 5% if that, Romney perhaps about 60% and Ron Paul about 75%.  I temper these numbers with an analysis of just how major my disagreements with the candidate are and an awareness of if they can even win.  I just don’t understand Paul supporters being willing to overlook his actual or practical support of many societal ills.  More than this I don’t understand the self righteous, holier than thou attitudes of people who say ANY GOP voter is evil, helping the enemy etc while IGNORING the fact that Ron Paul has ZERO chance of winning.  Just how many elections do we have to be willing to concede, to “vote a message” before the “better” candidate or a third party has a chance to actually win?  How bad will our country get in the mean time?  I am not willing to allow this country to undergo more failed Democrat, Socialist policies.  I am NOT happy to vote for Romney so I prefer to consider it a vote AGAINST Obama.  When I consider my vote I also consider how my vote will impact OTHERS.   Our founding fathers understood this concept…

“Let each citizen remember at the moment he is offering his vote that he is not making a present or a compliment to please an individual – or at least that he ought not so to do; but that he is executing one of the most solemn trusts in human society for which he is accountable to God and his country.” –Samuel Adams, in the Boston Gazette, 1781

“It should be the highest ambition of every American to extend his views beyond himself, and to bear in mind that his conduct will not only affect himself, his country, and his immediate posterity; but that its influence may be co-extensive with the world, and stamp political happiness or misery on ages yet unborn.” –George Washington, letter to the Legislature of Pennsylvania, 1789

When I consider the “choices” I have for President, it becomes clear there is NO perfect candidate and NO choice anywhere NEAR perfect.  If I vote for Ron Paul I must ignore his stance on drugs and prostitution.  I also must ignore the FACT that he is basically taking a complete pass on MANY issues by relegating them to a states’ rights discussion.  When I contemplate the fact that many states have Gay Marriage (at least one, in California in DIRECT opposition to the will of the voters) and that MANY State and Municipal authorities routinely violate the rights of their citizens (think draconian, expensive and onerous gun laws in Chicago, NYC, Detroit and Washington D.C. or HUGE and unfair taxes on anything they don’t care for, like businesses, tobacco, alcohol etc) I am frankly, nonplussed as to how leaving issues to the states who often abuse their citizens rights and liberties is still being advocated by Libertarians and I have no idea how it’s a better thing to do from a CHRISTIAN standpoint.

Ultimately, who we vote for is a VERY personal matter.  I am convinced that the RIGHT thing to do for me and my family is to vote for the MOST Conservative candidate with an eye towards actually WINNING and getting the current administration OUT of office.  Many make the legitimate point that Romney and Obama don’t differ much, if at all, on their actual policies.  While this is TRUE, it is only part of the story…Does anyone really believe that a Romney administration would refuse to punish voter intimidation just because the offenders had the same skin color as themselves?  Would a Romney administration REFUSE to support and defend DOMA (Defense Of Marriage Act) or would repeal Don’t Ask Don’t Tell and allow the service of openly gay individuals?  The current administration seems ALL too willing to sign away the sovereignty of this nation to the UN or whomever.  They will not authorize ANY development or access of our own energy resources, they are openly abusive to private equity and business, Romney has also pledged to advance and sign into law an unborn protection act; Obama would rather sign bills that allow babies to die in closets and HAS!…I could go on but I think this should suffice to show some MAJOR differences between an Obama administration and a possible Romney one.

I am NOT so self righteous or holier than thou that I will tell anyone else that my way is the ONLY way or the correct way.  I won’t make the argument that anybody who votes differently than I do is an idiot, a fool, a pawn of Satan or anything else.  I will only say this, you may feel like the morally superior agent because you’ve “voted your principles” but will it matter when your candidate doesn’t win?  Will it make you feel better if Obama wins again?

Let me put it another way.  Here locally I voted for Rob Jozwiak a Libertarian for Mayor.  He was, IMHO, clearly the best candidate.  He wanted to CHANGE the broken and corrupt way that city government has been run for DECADES here.  When the votes were being counted and it became clear that he wasn’t going to win, I had a fear that the Democrat candidate might win because lots of people like me and my family voted third party.  I would have felt terrible about that but I guess I could’ve lived with it at a local level.  I just can’t live with myself if Obama wins again because I voted for Ron Paul or any other third party candidate.

The more I have researched the more I find it laughable that people are so supportive of Paul and so ABUSIVE to those who don’t support him.  Ron Paul is not the TRUE rock ribbed Christian and Conservative that people make him out to be!  Ron Paul used to support DADT but then in 2007 his position began to “Evolve” (here to be read as flip-flop) In an interview on “The American View, when asked “Do you believe [homosexuality] is a sin?” Ron Paul said “I’m not as judgmental about that probably because of my medical background, so I don’t see it in that simplistic terms,” Paul said. “I think it’s a complex issue to decide whether it is sin or other problems with the way people are born. It’s, to me, too complex to give an answer as simple as that.”

Now see, something like that bothers me!  As a Bible believing Christian, I am not of the opinion that God makes mistakes!  MY Bible says that God is perfect and all his ways right!  If we accept (and without ANY actual proof I might add) the idea that homosexual persons are “born that way” then we are in effect saying that God is both NOT perfect and that he is unfair!  I mean if GOD made you that way how can he tell you it is wrong?  How can he define marriage as between one man and one woman and call ANY other physical union fornication and deviant conduct?

Why did Ron Paul, the “True Christian” choice have trouble with a Biblical answer on this question?  WHY, would he imply that as a Doctor he thought we might be dealing with issues of genetics?  He wants to make a VERY simple issue complex.  The Bible tells us REPEATEDLY that any physical relations outside of marriage is SIN.  How is that complex?

Ron Paul was one of only FIVE House Republicans to vote for the repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell.  Ron Paul openly betrayed Ronald Reagan’s economic policies after having supported him, he has slipped between Republican and Libertarian more than once and in my opinion this was done primarily for political expediency.  Representative Paul has also voted on MORE than one occasion for government intervention into health care through Medicare prescription price fixing and re-importation of prescription drugs from nations with price-controls!

This experience has been just one more lesson in the cult of personality.  Right and wrong shouldn’t depend on the letter next to the name, the race, color or national origin of the person or whether we like the person or not.  People who accept the hypocrisy, compromise and sell outs of Ron Paul while simultaneously decrying other candidates for the same things are very hard to take seriously.  The same people calling votes for the GOP evil, even if lesser are willfully ignoring the FACT that Ron Paul is evil too.

If this upsets anyone I close with two thoughts from Scripture.  Please attend to the word of God.  Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?  Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

Brothers and Sisters, I leave you almost where I began.  NO candidate will ever be perfect or even close, so the best we can do is to vote for the least offensive candidate that we have.  One who can win and who hopefully respects the traditions of this country, the Constitution and the rule of law.

  • RPSupporter

    I always appreciate the opportunity to debate with a fellow sincere Christian that has some misconceptions about Ron Paul and his principles.
    First of all, it is quite evident that the Re-Publican establishment did not want Ron Paul (grass roots person ) elected from the beginning, as witnessed in the various debates since 2008 and 2012.
    There were even several cases of voter fraud in the preliminaries. This year’s RNC even changed the rules so that they could ignore the many RP delegates from VA and MA.
    As Christians, we should seek Truth, Justice, and Mercy and I don’t see that in the Neocon influenced Republican establishment.
    Ever since 9/11 there were many bills (ie Patriot Act, FISA, NDAA) that were passed in the name of “Peace and Safety” (The bible states: “…peace and safety, then sudden destruction will come.” IThess. 5:3). These bills were predominantly influenced by the Neocons and gives Big Brother government more unConstitutional control over the People.
    All of the candidates, except for Ron Paul or Gary Johnson support NDAA (Indefinite detention of Americans w/o a trial). So if a pastor were to preach on the biblical viewpoint of homosexuality, the government could label it as “hate speech” and the person who propagates that as a “domestic terrorist”.
    Need I remind you that both Joe Biden and Maxine Waters labeled the Tea Party as “terrorists”.
    Many of our Constitutional rights are being eroded due to laws for our “peace and safety”. The violation of the 4th amendment by TSA gropings at airports, political rallies, shopping malls, bus stations, football games, high school proms, etc.,
    How about the right to assemble and have a bible study in the privacy of their own home. One fellow believer was both fined and jailed for doing so..
    Ron Paul does support States rights in determining abortion issues, since the Federal mandate would take much longer to overturn than if many states decided that it was illegal and overturned it. Just because he proposes a different solution doesn’t mean that he supports abortion.
    Ron Paul is also pro-marriage and doesn’t personally support gay marriage issues.
    As a fellow believer, I believe that we do need God’s mercy and grace for this nation. If we as a nation do not repent from our evil and wicked ways and return to Biblical and Constitional principles – we will get what we rightly deserve.
    Lord have mercy.

    • PreacherCruz

      We are in total agreement on what we want and wish for this nation. I understand people supporting Ron Paul to an extent but at this point it is what it is so to speak. Ron Paul is not the candidate and we have to make a play based on the hand we’ve been dealt. I TRULY wish it were different but I’m unwilling to sacrifice the leadership of this nation for however long it would take to get third party people to be fairly represented and have a chance. I WILL however work for and support the campaigns of people I believe in (like Richard Mourdock) and when they fail to live up to their promise I will work to see them out.

  • http://www.facebook.com/josh.ba.921 Josh Ba

    I read your article. I’ll start
    with saying that I am a Christian, I went to Christian school and am the proud
    father of two wonderful girls that will also be attending Christian school. I am active in my community and church.

    If my political affiliation
    matters I land somewhere between a republican and a libertarian and thus
    supported Dr. Paul.

    You obviously spent quite a bit
    of time thinking about what you wrote and why.

    I’ve got some follow up questions
    for you. You don’t have to answer them
    publicly and I certainly don’t want or deserve a response from you. But I’ll give it a go anyways:

    1. You most defiantly classify as a social
    conservative from your written text.
    Social conservatives say they are for the constitution, small government
    and fiscal responsibilities. I truly believe they believe that. However in the same breath they believe
    Government (sometimes large government) should be used as a tool to promote the
    things that they believe in such as laws that deal with homosexuality and
    prostitution as you cited. My question
    is: When your social conservative Christian
    views become the exception not the rule, (as is happening now) will you still
    believe government belongs in the morality business? If tomorrow another faith take over should
    that new faith be the judge of what’s right and wrong? Would you advocate for them to use the same
    government and methods you used to pursue their own agenda even if it was
    contrary to your beliefs? Would it not
    be better to do what the founders said and keep a definite separation of church
    and state?

    2. You don’t
    like the idea of States rights because it allows States to make decisions contrary
    to your belief system. If you truly were
    a small government conservative wouldn’t a better approach to gay marriage and prostitution
    be to grant those rights to the states where WE as the electorate have a much
    louder voice? Some state will stray they
    already have. But social conservative
    Christian views are on their way out not in.
    Wouldn’t it be a better to maintain your beliefs where you have the
    loudest voice rather than listen to a nation that will at some point legalize
    the things you’re against?

    3. Do you believe
    that any government law has ever changed someone’s morality stance on
    anything? Will gay couples change their
    views because a government approves or disapproves of them? You are correct that the bible speaks out
    several times against homosexuality but it also speaks out several times about
    judging and whose job that is.

    4. You talk
    about the “lesser of two evils” mentality and why it’s dangerous. I’ve been told this is the proper way to think
    about things for decades. Has it ever
    worked? Have we ever gotten less evil by
    voting for less evil or has this country progressively become more evil in
    spite of our voting for the lesser evil?

    5. You often
    spoke of winning being important. I tend
    to disagree. The recent polls show Obama
    with an average of 3% points over Romney nationaly but more importantly for
    Obama winning in 7 of the 8 swing states.
    Since Obama is winning in the polls and most likely will win in November
    shouldn’t you start consider his non-evil traits and start justifying them on
    your blog now?

    I’ve got several other questions but I’ll leave you with
    these. I can honestly say I don’t have answers to all
    of my own questions. I’m not certain
    anyone does. You’re interactions with
    Ron Paul people aren’t unique. It puts
    quite a few people off. It certainly isn’t
    a way to win over supporters that’s for sure.
    Dr. Paul isn’t perfect. He takes extreme
    stances on several things and “cops” out on others. However, I honestly think we’re in extreme times
    and extreme times demand extreme stances.
    I don’t know what this election will bring. I can tell you as a Paul supporter some of “us”
    believe the healthiest thing to do is to chop off the diseased limb to save the
    body rather than continuously try to bandage up something that is inoperable. If people honestly don’t see a difference
    between Obama and Romney isn’t it better to take the evil you know rather than
    the evil you don’t? Maybe in time this
    nation will be ready to start down a new path.

    • PreacherCruz

      Thanks so much for the thoughtful post and questions. I suspect that we are not that unlike. I call myself a Constitutional Conservative. I too fall somewhere between Republican and Libertarian. Everyone that responds on this site deserves some sort of answer. Being an all too human servant of the living God I can’t promise people will always get the answer they want OR that it will be delivered in a way they enjoy. LOL! Now I will attempt to answer your questions.
      1. I absolutely am a social conservative but that being said I do not prescribe making laws now or in the future based upon my own morals, values and beliefs OR that of any particular brand , flavor or denomination of Christianity. I am all TOO aware that should we give in to the temptation to do so, OUR freedoms and rights are only secure so long as WE hold the relative majority needed in a Constitutional Republic. That doesn’t mean that I don’t see the value in CONSERVING certain standards that are already in place or that have long been the tradition of our founders. Though I think we differ somewhat in our view on “separation” of church and state. That term, nor its actual outlined concept, doesn’t exist in the Constitution. It is often used as a bulwark to limit the scope of church authority when in point of fact it was meant to limit the authority and power of the GOVERNMENT. The idea of this separation was mentioned in a letter to the Danbury baptist association and I find it hilarious the left has been So successful getting people to believe it not only is in the Constitution but means the OPPOSITE of what it was intended to!
      2. NON issue. I do NOT have any issue with sates tights as it is Constitutional. My point was ONLY that for me or any other Christian to shrug off social issues by saying “states rights” is sort of disingenuous. I am 100% in favor of states rights and even think we should abolish the NEA and allow states and municipalities to control education again!
      3. Nope, government does NOTHING well except seize power and waste money. they do not control opinion on anything well and certainly not morality. That being said I fear you’ve swallowed a liberal lie designed to weaken Christianity by emasculating Christ, hook line and sinker. we ARE to judge all things and will even sit in judgment of the angels. We are to judge FAIRLY and un-hypocritically using the mind of Christ. I handled this awhile back here.. http://kjv-truth-ministries.org/?page_id=160 I also, (as I suspect do MOST Christians who understand our system of government) support individual freedoms. People are free in this country to believe what they like and well, go to hell any which way seems best to them to try to avoid it in the way that seems best to them. Opposition to homosexuality does NOT mean I am for legislating their bedroom conduct anymore than being opposed to abortion means I hate women. All I am saying is that government has NO business trying to legislate APPROVAL either..
      4. What would you have us do then? Vote for the LEAST evil choice we think we have even if they can’t win? how exactly would that work? Do you see THAT making things any better? Sad but true their are political realities at play here. EVEN if 16 million people all vote Paul or Johnson this still pales compared to the votes for the R and D and the R and D learn nothing and will not change. “Voting a message” may in effect just be helping the worst choice win..
      5. I thought we were having a good discussion until I read point 5. You are so funny! I don’t need to justify myself to you. As you said I don’t owe you an answer. That being said I can promise you that I am not just trying to justify my choices and I will NEVER under ANY circumstance support Obama. This has NOTHING to do with race as I am IMHO more authentically black than he. (I am of so called “mixed” heritage including, Irish, Cherokee, Puerto Rican and African and I grew up in Detroit) I also take exception to your acting as if Obama is a shoe in for re-election. Where are you hearing of these “polls” mainly the MSM. They are so in love with Obama he can do know wrong and they spin EVERYTHING in his favor. I believe that most people are SICK of this and see through it.
      I appreciate your sentiments at the end but to be blunt, I couldn’t possibly disagree more. So, you think there REALLY is very little difference between Obama and Romney and so go with what you know? Obama has SAID that he will have MORE freedom to do what e really WANTS to do if he gets a second term. If you think he will just keep on like he has been I fear you really aren’t thinking clearly. Things like removing the Second Amendment and legalizing Gay Marriage federally are just the beginnings of what evil he may do to this country.

  • davees

    Free will. You either choose to be with God or not. That is the heart and soul of Christianity. It is also the heart of the Declaration of Independence and the organic Constitution. As for candidates…BY THEIR DEEDS YOU WILL KNOW THEM. I’ll trust Ron Paul.

    • PreacherCruz

      Well thanks for your input but I wonder if you’ve read my article? I show fairly conclusively that not all of Ron Paul’s deeds, positions and statements are aligned with God’s word. As people say to me ALL the time, “voting for the lesser evil is still evil.” I agree. Even if you consider Ron Paul to be the least flawed or evil candidate he is STILL flawed and evil as we all are. Plus, there is the added fact that he just can’t win. I have a really hard time voting for a person when I KNOW they can’t win. What message does that REALLY send and to whom? I also LOVE that we are supposed to draw the inference that you and those like you are aligned with God and anyone voting differently is not. I sincerely hope you will read my article that explains my feelings and position.