Lies We’ve Been Told #1, Lucifer & Satan are the same Person.

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Does the Bible tell us that Lucifer is the Devil? We use the names interchangeably, but this is an error.

While doing some research on Masonry I came across the idea that Lucifer is not Satan. I learned a valuable lesson about just how important it is to really search the scriptures and see if what you believe and have been taught is true.

Here are some exchanges from Facebook on this subject. My comments will be marked TM and I will attribute the other comments to their respective posters. All errors found in posts of others are exactly as they posted them..

TM: This book IS still in print and reads the same. The thing is this, many will say, “Lucifer is NOT the Devil” and they may have a point about that but Christians shouldn’t have access to “seething energies”.  Also, they may say “The author wasn’t even a Mason when he wrote this book”.  Again, true so far as it goes but he did join later and stayed a mason until he died and never re-visited his work nor did Masonry disavow his writings…

Eber Jane wrote “Lucifer and Satan are one in the same. If you know the bible you know this! They hide many secrets today and are very evil!”

TM: There actually IS some debate over that “fact”. To be clear, Lucifer is NOT satan. That being said, whoever he was, his “seething energies” are not for Christians. Here is more on the error of Lucifer = Satan. http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=11&article=1091

Elizabeth Robin DeClark wrote “Of course he’s Satan”. Followed by “When he was kick out if heaven, God changed his name Satan. That site don’t like King James so they use the twitsed bible.”

TM: Saying something doesn’t make it so. I ONLY use the KJV or Geneva but Lucifer is NOT Satan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer

Elizabeth Robin “He used to be Lucfier.” This was followed by “So where did Satan come from?” Then she added, “Besides Wikipedia doesn’t tell all the truth, boy!”

TM: I agree that wikipedia doesn’t always tell the truth. The thing is, I’ve shown you, MULTIPLE lines of evidence that the name Lucifer appears ONE time in the KJV Bible and that it was NOT meant to be Satan.

IF my evidence is wrong, show me. You should be willing to concede that you MAY be wrong.

ANY of us may have a faulty understanding or may have been taught something that was wrong…

“Christianity” has made the name Lucifer synonymous with Satan but that was a mistake.
Let’s look at the ONLY reference to Lucifer IN CONTEXT. Isaiah chapter 14. In verse 4 we see that this chapter is about the King of Babylon! 4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

PLEASE take your time and pray and read the entire chapter including…

16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.
19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

This is CLEARLY about a human and earthly king, not an Angel.

Elizabeth Robin: “According to my friend:..Lucifer was a beautiful and powerful angel God made, then he turned vain and against God….then God sent him to hell and his demons. Lucifer made himself into the serpent and tricked Eve. When lucifer was cast down he was known as the devil satan.” She also wrote “How did Satan appere?”

TM: According to your friend. That’s nice. What does the BIBLE say?
Since you seem to be trying to make a point, why don’t YOU tell me Where Satan came from and/or when he appeared?

Elizabeth Robin “God created Lucfier and he later rebelled against God so he got thrown out of heaven. He was sent to hell and became Satan. Clear enough?”

TM: No, that’s not “clear enough”. I challenge you to show that SCRIPTURALLY.
BTW, I am both a Christian AND a Minister.

Elizabeth Robin: “I don’t know where you’re from.” Then, “Satan didn’t pop out of no where.”

TM: What do you mean where I am from?

I never said that Satan “popped out of no where.” He exists. I am not denying that. The thing is, what you’re saying are made up stories that many believe that are NOT supported by scripture. NO different than a person who thinks we become angels or “get wings” in heaven…

Elizabeth Robin: “I rest my case.”

TM: You haven’t even MADE a case. I have asked you to show that Lucifer is Satan USING scripture and you’ve made NO effort to do so.

You need to think this through….

IF someone made a mistake and wrote your name as Hank Johnson, and everyone BELIEVED your name was Hank Johnson, would that make your name Hank Johnson?
THAT is almost exactly what has happened here.

ALL of us need to search the scriptures. Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Eber Jane jumped in with “If the BIBLE doesn’t say it DON’T believe it! Read the book of JAMES! who ever you are your soul is worth the truth! FALSE DOCTRINE ((((( WILL))))) SEND YOU TO HELL!!!! please ask the living GOD to show you the truth!!! You are worth that!”

TM: I have a whole lesson on “What is Truth” … If you’d take the time to read it you’d find that we AGREE. If it doesn’t fit with scripture it isn’t truth…
http://www.kjv-truth-ministries.org/what-is-truth/

How dare you accuse me of false doctrine? I am USING scripture and asking you to do the same!

I posted Isaiah from the KJV that shows clearly that it is NOT about the devil as it references MAN and king and says nothing about a fallen angel or angels…

Eber Jane: “GOD BE WITH YOU! I won’t argue the word of GOD. ISai”

TM: May the Lord Jesus be with you as well.

Here is Isaiah 14, the whole chapter. Please pray and consider if it tells a tale of fallen angels or if it speaks of a Babylonian King who wouldn’t honor God…

14 For the Lord will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.
2 And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the Lord for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors.
3 And it shall come to pass in the day that the Lord shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,
4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!
5 The Lord hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.
6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.
7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.
8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.
9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.
19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.
21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
22 For I will rise up against them, saith the Lord of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the Lord.
23 I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the besom of destruction, saith the Lord of hosts.
24 The Lord of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand:
25 That I will break the Assyrian in my land, and upon my mountains tread him under foot: then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulders.
26 This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations.
27 For the Lord of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back?
28 In the year that king Ahaz died was this burden.
29 Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent’s root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent.
30 And the firstborn of the poor shall feed, and the needy shall lie down in safety: and I will kill thy root with famine, and he shall slay thy remnant.
31 Howl, O gate; cry, O city; thou, whole Palestina, art dissolved: for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times.
32 What shall one then answer the messengers of the nation? That the Lord hath founded Zion, and the poor of his people shall trust in it.

Eber Jane: “Isaiah ch. 14, verse11-19. (Verse15) explained he is now satan. Study the book of revelation out. And you will know the truth and you will be free if that’s truly what you want. Good night.” Followed by “If you choose to call the truth of GOD a tale you choose to be blind.”

TM: IDK if you’re familiar with the terms Exegesis and Eisegesis? Basically, proper exegesis is reading the Bible for what it says while eisegesis means to read INTO scripture to make it fit with your own beliefs or views…

You’re not using proper exegesis of scripture. You cite 11-19 but ignore that 16 read.. “They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;”

MAN, not Angel. Also, nothing about other Angels or changing a name. When taken IN CONTEXT it is more than clear that this is NOT about Satan.

I never said that “the Truth of God was a tale”. You’re dangerously close to false witness.
The idea that Isaiah 14 is about the Devil and that Lucifer IS a proper name for the Devil is what I called a tale and you offer nothing by way of refutation…

Eber Jane: “MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOUL!”

TM: May I ask who is your spiritual authority? Your husband or Pastor? I have spent more than enough time arguing with two women who wish to insult me more than they wish to lean on Gods’ word.

God already has had mercy on my soul. You are COMPLETELY unwilling to consider that you may have been taught and believe a lie.

Lucifer is NOT and was not supposed to be a name for Satan. Isaiah 14 is NOT about Satan. I’ve done more than enough to show this. I would very much like to speak to your husband or Pastor at this point. God bless.

Eber Jane: “LUKE CHAPTER 10 VERSE18. YOU CAN NOT DISPUTE THE WORDS OF JESUS. ! GOD HELP YOU”

TM: No need to shout. I am NOT the one disputing the words of Christ. Satan is NOT Lucifer. Therefore, Luke 10:18 has nothing to do with Isaiah 14.
Discernment is needed.

Eber Jane: Yes and you need a boat load and then some!!!

TM: Nothing says “I’m morally superior to you and correct” quite like ad hominem (to the man) attacks.

I am asking again, who is your husband, father or Minister?

Eber Jane Adams: What matters is that the soul is saved. That ones name is written in the lambs book of life. Not who is Satan or lucifer.

TM: You need to understand your Bible. I, as a Christian man and Minister wish to speak to your Earthly spiritual authority. Since you’ve repeatedly insulted me and are STILL arguing with me, this IS my business.

When a fellow Christian has wronged you, take it to them, if they will not hear you, bring another, at the last, bring it to the Church, which is what I was TRYING to do by asking about your authority.

You continue to insult me, but yeah, I am the one who “needs help”.

I will be sharing this whole discussion with everyone and blocking you.

You just CAN’T deal with the fact that you might be wrong about something, can you?
NOW you say it doesn’t matter? You’re right in that it doesn’t go to Salvation, but you sure have been pretty fiercely arguing it…

Ended up having to block both of these ladies since all they want to do is argue endlessly and can’t back up anything they say.