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This discussion was moved here because it comes up so often.  If we as Christians stand against ANYTHING, whether its Abortion, Homosexuality or what have you we always have some people saying we’re being poor Christians.  They seem to think that standing for morality and truth is UN-Christian but loving people straight into Hell by telling them that no matter WHAT they do they can go to Heaven is correct… Below you will see the last post by Scot and then my answer to him..

Scott:  “Our feelings about a matter don’t change the truth.” You should heed your own words.

Some Gays crash a couple of conventions. They protest in the same manner that teaparty activists have repeatedly at Town Hall meetings. Did that change attendees minds? No. A vote is made on the subject. Politicking is performed to promote Gay’s position. Is that illegal? No. Did gay guys go to everyone’s homes and make those people vote for the change in classification? No. Was there violence? No.

Remember this: Losers can’t rewrite history, but only express their opinion of it, which is what you are doing. Whatever. It’s irrelevant now.

To cut this short: You lost then. You lose now. The horse is out of the barn, and events are occurring that are forever out of your control. Thank God.

You do know that there are many people in this country that are doing without that you and your group might help. Be a Christian.

Preacher Cruz @ Truth Ministries:

Scot, first off you wrote “The APA did not declassify homosexuality because they were afraid of civil unrest. They did so simply as research proved it is a variation of sexual orientation”… I demonstrated pretty clearly this was not so.  You’ve offered NOTHING but further faith based declarative statements.

I gave you evidence that NON qualified, politically motivated people were given direct access and input into the discussion and voting process.  Certainly no one was “forced” to vote any certain way but that is what’s known as a distinction without a difference.  When the gay “plant” is keeping track of who said what and who voted how, many people are going to capitulate for fear of being branded a “homophobic bigot”.  Many also were afraid their livelihoods and professional reputations and/or academic standing might be threatened etc.

When homosexuality was removed from the DSM I was ONE year old.  I had no dog in the fight so I didn’t lose anything.  Today, I feel the people who are losers are all the gay people who used to have options for getting help and controlling their desires and actions.  Homosexuality is not healthy and certainly not the rampantly promiscuous kind that seems to be SO popular among a large percentage of it’s adherents…

For what its worth, before I became a Christian I didn’t understand or approve of homosexual attraction but I did have many friends who were gay and bi.  I still have acquaintances and family members who are gay.  I respect all people and people can do what they like but don’t expect all people to say they agree with it or that it’s healthy, natural or normal. 

One of my former friends who self identified as Bi and I, had a similar view on religion/philosophy and morality at the time… Mainly, that there was such a thing as right and wrong and yet we both had real issues (for obviously different reasons at times) in doing what we knew to be right and NOT doing what we knew to be wrong…. I found out about 5 years ago He killed himself on my birthday.  I firmly believe the day was a message to me from God (as I don’t think my old friend even knew my Birthday) and it re-directed my commitment to the Lord and my submission to him.

Homosexuals are many times more likely to suffer from drug and alcohol abuse, depression and other mental illnesses, AIDS and more.  Pretending this isn’t so doesn’t do ANYONE any good.

Lastly, allow me to touch on a subject I’ve dealt with many times… I don’t go around telling (as just a random sampling) Muslims, Satanists, Prostitutes, Catholics, Race Car Drivers or Gays they’re poor representatives of their respective groups since I don’t know all that much about what makes a good race car driver, Satanist or what have you.  I always find it interesting that NON Christians love to tell Christians they’re doing it wrong..

You’ve no earthly idea what I personally OR this ministry does for others.  Engaging people in discussion on homosexuality represents less than 5% of my ministry efforts….. However, Christianity isn’t simply doing for others and helping them, it is also giving them the good news; that Jesus came to the Earth and died for them.  That if they will accept him and do as Jesus commanded to, “go and sin no more” and try to live lives pleasing to him and in service to others they can be forgiven of their sins and spend eternity with him in Heaven…

Love for others doesn’t mean letting them do whatever they like and telling them it’s right and ok.  The Bible defines sexual immorality, not you or I; and ANY sex outside of wedlock is sin.  We can’t willingly live in sin and enter into the kingdom of heaven any more than a murderer or rapist can do what they do and stay out of jail.  There are consequences to our actions…

Just because society may be leaning one direction or another, this doesn’t absolve Bible believing Christians form standing for what is true.  Things like abortion are murder and sex outside of marriage is sin. 

  • sk1951

    You are saying: All you have to do is BELIEVE and all will be well with the Universe!!!! I will be respectful of this site because I think the owner is truly attempting to share what he believes. But delusion is delusion. With out the bible there would be no religion because there is nothing else to base the validity on. Sadly…the religious feel that man cannot exist without this fabrication within any meaningful existence. When a person gives up all belief, opinion, understanding and the irrational concepts of knowledge…this is when your mind will clear and you will see “THE” TRUTH. For this clarity a person has to eliminate all the seen Universe and our silly misconceptions of time. Your mind must be nothing… Nothing is where creation came from. When you begin your realizations at this point your inner consciousness will guide you and true revelations will begin. Everything is a singularity. There is no god or gods…only Truth and the ‘never ending’ creation that reshapes what is. ONE TRUTH…you will never find “truths” in the unseen Universe of the Universal mind of consciousness of Truth.

    • I appreciate your being respectful because it is true that I actually believe. Let me tell you a bit more though. I’m not saying ALL you must do is believe and I sincerely hope that isn’t how this came across to you. Believing in Jesus is just one part of it if you want to understand the Biblical model of Salvation I would point you to 5 steps here on the site. My family runs this ministry out of our own budget and I am not paid one dime that is because I believe these things SO much that I felt I needed to “put my money where my mouth was” so to speak. I wasn’t raised in ANY faith tradition but came to Jesus after YEARS of personal search and comparisons of all religions and philosophies. Ultimately, I came to believe that Jesus really was the son of God and that he had died for my sins. I still ignored and denied him for many more years…

      • sk1951

        Ur killing me! Like you I was a full out full blown born again believer. I fell from the belief in the Universal God but stayed with Jesus. For a time all I did was read the red print and do history study on religion and Jesus. There is absolutely no doubt that the Jesus story is the greatest story ever told,heart wrenching and extremely convicting, proofed by time and population belief. I was pounded to the ground with the sinful man original sin thing. I applauder that you have stepped out and study…the fundamentalist do not. You are IMHO not a religious zealot and have chosen to follow a peace loving Jesus. You are attempting to do the right thing. How can anyone fault that. You are attempting to share what you truly believe is the truth. Nearly 50 years has gone into my quest. I wish it was simply a light bulb that goes off/on one day but even when truly open to inspiration and enlightenment…it takes time for all the pieces to fall into place and it wreaks havoc with your previous belief. Each new piece seems to change everything. My principal problem is with fudies and closed mindedness. Learning never ends…”knowing” stops the process of learning. The first warning was against knowledge…let that sink in a bit because it took me almost 20 years to fully grasp it. Clarification never ends just like creation. Creation was not an event…it never ends. What saddens me is everyone always says “I don’t think or believe like I did 10 years ago” sound familiar? What has always bothered me in my bible classes…how can I or anyone instruct knowing I will be different later on? Of course I am sure you can easily and quickly come up with answers for everything I am saying because I was once that way too. I could talk circles for God like nobodies business. I think you are pure in your heart so I won’t post a bunch of my analogies because I think you will come to them on you own if you continue your studies in alternative history. I “know” nothing…that is the only thing I do know. One word of warning…an alternate word for belief is self-delusion.

        • I completely respect what you’re saying and where you’re coming from I just
          want to make a couple of points. We don’t get to “proof text” or cherry pick the
          Bible… Either it’s true from front to back, cover to cover, the literal word
          of God or it’s like any other treatise on religion and philosophy and if that IS
          the case honestly we should either throw it out or consider it no different from
          the latest self-help book.. “You get out of it what you put into it” nonsense
          that isn’t in any way actually or demonstrably true but might make us feel
          better about life or ourselves etc.

          The sinful man original sin things I don’t feel to be a truly Biblical
          concept. The whole Doctrine was unknown to the Early church and Jesus NEVER taught on it. In fact he even downplays the idea in a sense in John 9: 1-3 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. And his
          disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that
          he was born blind? Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

          We all have a sin nature since we fell but that doesn’t mean we are BORN with the stain of sin upon us. In fact this is just ONE of the many reasons the Catholics are wrong for proposing Purgatory or teaching that un-baptized babies will go to hell etc. We are NOT guilty of ANY sin until we actually COMMIT one. What is sin? James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin. This idea/doctrine is sometimes called the age of reckoning as we are not guilty of sin and therefore can not be condemned BY it until we reach the point or AGE where we actually KNOW what we are doing Is wrong and choose to do it anyway. At THAT point we become truly fallen sinners in need of a Savior.

          I’m very glad that you can see my heart for the ministry of Christ is
          honestly motivated and rooted in a desire to help others. I do study continually
          to understand God better and to be able to better explain the Christian faith
          and to defend same. I’ve been studying since I was about Twelve years old but
          didn’t accept Christ until I was 15. Even then, I lived for myself a great many
          years and then denied the Lords calling upon my life for MANY years. I was 39
          years old before I finally decided to surrender my life and abilities to the
          Lord who saved me. I’m 41 now and I am still growing and learning.

          I see the process of growth a little differently than do you though. I
          absolutely DO believe the same things now that I did ten years ago and I don’t
          think that speaks to a lack of learning and progress so much as it does to the
          fact that I was on the right path to begin with. IF you are going on a trip to
          the Grand Canyon by foot and you set off in the wrong direction and with all the
          wrong supplies, your trip is going to be most unpleasant; longer than it needs
          to be, filled with discomfort, pain and hardship. You can start with the Bible
          or “use” the Bible and still be getting things wrong. Look at how many
          “Churches” teach things contrary to scripture or also expect the people to use
          the Catechism, Book of Mormon, writings of the various “prophets” that founded
          the “Church” etc. I think it is even VERY possible for a person who is trying to
          know God and reading ONLY his word to be led astray.

          What is interesting is in belief in and adherence TO Gods word I would consider myself a sort of fundamentalist (I HATE titles and denominations and divisions, either you believe Gods word or you don’t, you’re CHRISTIAN or you’re not) and when it comes to established Biblical truths, I AM closed minded. There are things that I absolutely DO know and because I put my faith in God and his word, I have yet to be wrong. This doesn’t mean that I have stopped learning or growing, in fact just the opposite. As I learn to submit more of my will and understanding to the Lord who made, sustains and saved me, I grow in
          understanding to the point that I am more than what I was before.

          I can talk to Atheists, Cult members, Homosexuals, Drug addicts etc and I
          can share the Love and teaching of Christ without being rude, judgmental or cold
          to them. NONE of this is because of who I am but because of who Jesus is and the progressive work of learning to serve that he is doing in me through the Holy
          Spirit.

          I’ve no doubt there are people (like you said you once were) who can talk
          circles for God and that for many of these people it is mainly propped up by
          them trying to defend their own self delusion. I think you might be missing
          something at the same time as being on TO something though….

          There is a VAST difference between head knowledge and heart knowledge.
          You can think something is true and want to believe in it but not be entirely
          convinced or submitted to that truth. THAT is where doubt and other factors come in and choke out the truth. People in this situation OFTEN get very good at
          arguing for their faith because these are all arguments they are still having
          with themselves… Therefore they are deluded because they are convincing
          themselves of something they don’t TRULY accept or believe.

          To use a grammatically incorrect phrase “This aint that”. I teach Gods
          word because it does NOT change. Yes, the views and positions of man DO change as a general rule but this is mainly because they are not positively and firmly rooted in Gods word. When we get to the point that we are TRULY believing and accepting that Gods word is true we don’t have to worry any longer about things changing down the road. It isn’t GOD or his Word (but I digress and imply a disparity where none exists as Jesus IS the Word and vice versa) that ever changes it is our position relative to it or belief IN it.

          I sincerely hope that I an help because where you’re at now is basically
          creating your own system of religious belief with Christ thrown into the mix.
          This is the foundation of most Cult teaching and even though it may feel right
          to you that doesn’t mean it is. Jeremiah 17: 9 The heart is deceitful above all
          things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

          I also want to touch on a few things you said earlier “With out the bible there would be no religion because there is nothing else to base the validity on. Sadly…the religious feel that man cannot exist without this fabrication within any meaningful existence. When a person gives up all belief, opinion, understanding and the irrational concepts of knowledge…this is when your mind will clear and you will see “THE” TRUTH”..

          Why do you think that without the Bible there would be no religion? There are LOADS of religions that have nothing to do with the Bible and that predate Christianity. I BELEIVE you mean to say that you do accept the Bible as true with this statement. That being said, how do you find out which parts ARE true if you pick and choose? It’s Gods word or it’s not. I don’t think man MUST believe in God to have any sort of meaningful existence. We can convince ourselves that pretty much anything we want to do has meaning and is important and some of it really does and is. I am not “religious” so to speak but what I believe is what the Bible says my life, ULTIMATELY won’t mean much if I lose my soul an am separated from God for all eternity.

          When we empty ourselves, SOMETHING comes in to fill it but it might not be the truth. Nature abhors a vacuum and I think this is so because GOD hates for man to be without him and craves to fill that space. However, people try desperately to fill that void with anything and everything. Food, sex, drugs, alcohol, becoming a business success etc and yet they are mostly still unfulfilled. Wonder why you hear of so many people of great accomplishment killing themselves, doing drugs etc? Many of these people just don’t understand why they aren’t happy, why they have no peace. They convinced themselves that making wealth, building an empire or being successful in their chosen fields would make them happy and whole and when they realize it didn’t they become despondent and lose all hope.

          Everyone believes something but most people don’t believe the TRUTH. I met a man who was ABSOLUTELY convinced that he had seen Aliens on multiple occasions so to him al the worlds religions are bogus because they don’t fit what he KNOWS to be true. Wonder where that “truth” came from. The devil comes in and helps people to see or believe ANYTHING but God…

          2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

          • The Truth

            We must obey God, believing isn’t enough. Many will cry out Lord Lord and wI will not know them.

          • Absolutely. I don’t think you will find anyplace where I’ve said otherwise. If you look at 7 Steps I go into some detail about repentance, salvation, and following the Lord.

  • sk1951

    You can open 40 here. Great study tool. http://www.biblegateway.com/

  • sk1951

    Big arguments over that trinity thing. Christians even have a “none believer” name for that now. You are asking that people get over a fundmental structure. May as well ask an athiest to believe in god. Some fun this religious harmony what!?!?

    Nontrinatarian-ism

  • sk1951

    Depends on if you believe in the god(s) that made man or the Christian belief that a singularity God created man.

    Genesis 1:26 “Let “us” make Man in “our” image,
    after “our” likeness.”

    Genesis 2:7: And the Lord God formed man of/from the dust of the
    ground…

    Here we see the first mention of multiple gods and of a higher Archy, where
    it would appear that one of the gods was speaking for all the other gods.

    How could a God who has no corporal body and who is universally alone say
    that? Obviously…He would not. The verse does not say “God created man” and in
    fact says that man was “made” by gods (plural or multiple) and does not
    say created.

    • I believe I addressed this on another site but here goes…

      The Trinity explains the OUR and us we are not talking about a pantheon of Gods with any hierarchical structure we are talking about God the Father acknowledging IN the Beginning that he was a Triune spirit.

      Actually if you read the very NEXT verses in Genesis it DOES say exactly THAT…

      26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

      27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

      28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

      Also note please that he said in OUR image… Do you really believe that ALL the Gods shared a similar visage. You can only get to your position by denying the clear reading of other verses in the same chapter… CONTEXT is very important.
      God bless you!

      • sk1951

        You can also read about all the god wars…there are gods everywhere. One at a time rose to “Lord” power. Way to many gods and wars for me to hunt up for you. Context can be simply a way to manipulate things to your advantage. The bible can be what ever you want it to be and believe in. Self fulfilling your beliefs are as much fun as a good cross word puzzle.

        trinity and triune do not appear in the bible but you have it all figured out. Congratulations.

        • We were off to such a good start. Please don’t give up now and start being sarcastic. These “God Wars” you reference are not proof that these Gods existed in any way shape or form other than people believed in them. Jesus really DID live and die for us and I think you know this. You are projecting on the self fulfilling your own beliefs. That is why you took PART of a verse of scripture that seemed to support your view and ignored the following ones.

          Yes, the Bible CAN be whatever you want it to be but ONLY when you have the gall to butcher Gods word and take things out of context. ANY scripture taken out of context is merely a pretext, usually to corrupt sound doctrine”. Example, most people would be shocked if I said “did you know the Bible says “there is NO God””

          14 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

          No, I don’t have it ALL figured out but my answer WAS in keeping with my beliefs, is supportable by scripture and fits my worldview. It is honest. Considering the Bible DOES teach there are three aspects to God the Father Son and Holy Spirit and this is repeated NUMEROUS times the CONCEPT of the Trinity is there. The word isn’t and I think for good reason. God the Father had a heck of a time with the Jews in getting them to focus on GOD instead of all the other “GODS” and the Jewish people were told REAPTEDLY that God was ONE God and at that time to introduce the idea of the trinity would’ve been dangerous to them and possibly encouraged a general slide towards polytheism.

          Here is a great article on the Trinity and references in scripture http://www.gotquestions.org/Trinity-Bible.html
          I have my own take to explain it. Imagine Three triangles of same size with two on the Ground and one on top these three triangles form ONE triangle and that is how I view the trinity.

          • sk1951

            This web site sucks. It does not edit butchers copy paste killed the italics that were my words and lost the letter when I tried to go and study the page you posted. So…I can’t take any more time with it. Here is the mess your site made of it. I should not have wasted my time in the first place…lesson learned.

            We were off to such a good start. Please don’t give up now and start being
            sarcastic. These “God Wars” you reference are not proof that these
            Gods existed in any way shape or form other than people believed in them (that
            is all God and religion is!!!!). There
            was absolutely no sarcasm in my statements. We are not off to any good start
            and this will end very badly should you
            choose to keep lecturing me and explaining to me what I think in total
            disregard for what I am saying. “PROOF” is none existent in all things and I do
            not hold up anything as such especially ONE BOOK and claim all that it contains
            is truth and reality. I simply point to the exact words you use in support of
            your suppositions. It always amazes me how the religious will pick and choose
            what they wish to believe in, disregarding what they do not, all the while
            still claiming the unconditional unwavering without blemish perfect word of
            god. You absolutely fault your belief with your statements while thinking they
            validate them. This is deep delusion at work. “People believe in them” is the
            danger I speak of with belief…it can turn any lie or delusion into reality…for
            the believe but he is diseased and passes on the disease…belief is pathological.
            Belief is where illusions and delusions live. One of my first revelations was
            when I realized that the devil lives in the Vatican.

            I hate getting into confrontation over
            none events mostly because that is what believers are looking for. Anger and
            hate is the fuel of believers. There proselytization’s keep them alive. If not
            for none believers…they would turn on each other even more than they do now. Maybe
            I do know something…I know that religion has been the worst apocalyptic bigoted
            racist genocidal disaster to have ever befallen mankind. And it is getting
            worst not better. Oh and before you say it…the rapture comes AFTER the tribulation…no
            before (if you believe in the fantasy book).

            Jesus really DID live and die for us and I think you know this. You are
            projecting on the self fulfilling your own beliefs. That is why you took PART
            of a verse of scripture that seemed to support your view and ignored the
            following ones. The “following ones”
            support nothing you are saying! Delusional interpretations. I absolutely unequivocally
            DO NOT KNOW of a man god named Jesus! IMO Jesus is a literary invention of the
            Roman Czars. Jesus and the literature started at the same time. Coincidence? If
            the man god had already reached the pinnacle of belief when he was alive there
            would have been statures, shrines, churches and every history book would have
            his name in it. As I said…I have no beliefs in anything especially anything man
            made. I just found this vid…give it a go. But then you are not really looking
            for truth you only want what will support your version of the truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM2KONcLKQU&list=FLlWd8zmRQ2SPwIHC0S4Tu8g

            Yes, the Bible CAN be whatever you want it to be but ONLY when you have the
            gall to butcher Gods word and take things out of context. ANY scripture taken
            out of context is merely a pretext, usually to corrupt sound doctrine”.
            Example, most people would be shocked if I said “did you know the Bible
            says “there is NO God”” So
            your butchery is good but others is bad! You have the audacity to speak of
            gall?!!?? That’s funny. I would be shocked at nothing people say about the
            bible. I only quote it when needed for Christian interpretations…mostly to show
            how ridiculous it is. It will always be a fictional account of none historical
            events invented to control for power and profit and that you can take to the
            bank. No one can butcher gods word because there is no god and there is no word
            IMO. Am I making this clearer for you?

            14 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they
            have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good (what broad brush bs!) A genius
            sounds like an idiot to an idiot. But the genius is saddened by this, where the
            idiot is happy.

            No, I don’t have it ALL figured out but my answer WAS in keeping with my
            beliefs, is supportable by scripture and fits my worldview. It is honest.
            Considering the Bible DOES teach there are three aspects to God the Father Son
            and Holy Spirit and this is repeated NUMEROUS times the CONCEPT of the Trinity
            is there. The word isn’t and I think for good reason. God the Father had a heck
            of a time with the Jews in getting them to focus on GOD instead of all the
            other “GODS” and the Jewish people were told REAPTEDLY that God was
            ONE God and at that time to introduce the idea of the trinity would’ve been
            dangerous to them and possibly encouraged a general slide towards polytheism. It is all dogma delusions handed down for 6
            thousand years! And I think you need to do a lot of work about the gods. You
            just don’t get it at all.

            Here is a great article on the Trinity and references in scripture http://www.gotquestions.org/Tr

            I have my own take to explain it. Imagine Three triangles of same size with two
            on the Ground and one on top these three triangles form ONE triangle and that
            is how I view the trinity. As I told you…I
            can talk and walk the god stuff with the best of them. My interpretation was
            God is like water…he can be liquid, ice or steam…but always water. I should not
            give you that information because you will only use it to your advantage to
            support your delusions. Everyone has to find their own way so I don’t worry as
            much today about it. I share what I have found and let it go. Sadly you have
            not heard a thing I have said only wishing to hear your own self talk looking
            for validation…I have none to give you. Your legs are strong to live under the
            weight of so much fantasy. I am free of all that today. There is truth written
            in the bible and that one is true. The Truth will “make” you free.

            And when you speak of respect, when you
            know you’re talking to an agnostic, atheist or neutralist saying God Bless is
            like them saying F you to you…very disrespectful. But then we are the enemy…the
            gentiles…so what quarter should be given!!! Kill them all I say! This is simply
            part of the arrogant demeanor of the sanctimonious religious that demand
            respect while giving none.

            I have done all I can for you. Good
            luck with whatever it is you are trying to do. Time will tell I suppose.

            Oh one last thing…they say if you believe,
            what have you lost and have all to gain. The problem is…we live in a FORCED mythological
            fantasy reality state today generated by Roman ingenuity claiming that this
            fiction is truth. But in truth…what would the world have been like without this
            insanity and we lived in the true light of the true Truth that was being handed
            down from the original Sumerians and Vedic’s (where the little truths in the
            bible come from). Sadly I do not think this human race will ever know.

  • HI, Vance! Thanks for reading this lesson and for your question. Don’t worry, I respond to EVERY legitimate question posted.

    YES, I do encourage every one I come in contact with to use the KJV. There are SO many reasons for this. I actually have a lesson called “Does It Matter Which Bible We Use?”. I have been meaning to give that lesson a final revision for the site and hadn’t gotten round to it.

    PLEASE check back with me later tonight and I should have it posted! After you read it please comment some more and share the site with others. This is the whole reason my family decided to begin this ministry to try to reach the lost and to teach people to live scripturally and challenge their views.

    God bless.