I just saw today that this man made headlines when asked what he might say if he actually saw God in Heaven by saying “I think I’d say, ‘Bone cancer in children?’ What’s that about? How dare you. How dare you create a world in which there is such misery that is not our fault? It’s not right. It’s utterly, utterly evil. Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates a world that is so full of injustice and pain?’ That’s what I would say.”
After he was told he might not get to heaven, he went on to say “I wouldn’t want to. I wouldn’t want to get in on his terms. They’re wrong…….the god that created this universe, if it was created by God, is quite clearly a maniac, utter maniac, totally selfish. We have to spend our life on our knees thanking Him?…. Atheism isn’t just about not believing there’s a God, but on the assumption that there is one, what kind of god is he? It’s perfectly apparent that he is monstrous, utterly monstrous, and deserves no respect whatsoever. The moment you banish him, your life becomes simpler, purer, cleaner, more worth living, in my opinion.”
Where to begin? OK first of all, one should get NO credit for presenting arguments that have been well and thoroughly addressed and REFUTED, as if they’re somehow new, witty or clever. I am not an expert Theologian or a master of Christian Apologetics but allow me to offer here just a few simple answers that I am MORE than sure Mr. Fry has heard before..
When Mr. Fry talks about “right, misery, evil, injustice, pain, capriciousness and meanness”? He is actually appealing to the Judeo-Christian worldview. Follow me here… IF we are animals and we reject God or to go further, deny his existence, where and how does right and wrong play into anything? Does he really not see how silly and childish it is; to simultaneously say something doesn’t exist while hating it and calling it names? Right and wrong, good and evil, injustice etc have NO objective foundations, let alone meaning, in a world where random chance starts life, while rape, violence and murder sustain it!
Why does NO one rail against the injustice and cruelty of “nature”? These exact same problems exist in the Atheistic worldview even if we remove God. I guess the argument then is one of morality? Nature can’t choose to do anything but God chooses to or allows these things to happen? Putting aside that the Bible clearly shows that God gave us a perfect world and we rejected it. Choosing instead to do the ONE thing God asked us not to do. The idea of arguing morality with he who created everything, including law which creates morality, seems an exercise in futility. Especially while trying to say such a lawgiver does not exist!
Why do Atheists feel SO obligated to talk about something that doesn’t exist? I don’t sit and have arguments with people who believe in the Earth being flat, faked moon landings etc. They’re entitled to their “beliefs” even if I think they’re foolish. I do not feel obligated to argue with people who believe in nonsense. A fair question is WHY do they?
Basically, Mr. Fry has fallen into the fallacious trap that MANY Atheists step into… God does NOT exist and I hate him! You can’t have it both ways. I would say that Mr. Fry is absolutely WRONG in his assessment that life gets “purer, cleaner or more worth living” once one rejects God. As already stated, purity or any objective standard of better or worse that applies to all people, has NO place in the life of any animal nor Atheist. Furthermore, the vast majority of people serving themselves have found it to be shallow and devoid of any real meaning or value; while those who find ways to help others often find great satisfaction. I do not believe that one can find their lives MORE worth living by serving themselves first. The ONY concession I will make to Mr. Frys’ statement is that in SOME ways, life IS Simpler if we deny God and live for ourselves. It is VERY simple to live for yourself.
Mr. Fry also takes issue with God allowing Misery that is “Not our fault” as if it would be okay if all Misery were created by man but we know that is not what he means. Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, Marx and anyone else who creates evil and misery is actually GODS’ fault for “allowing it to happen”… Free will has consequences and God didn’t create puppets.
As far as children with cancer or pretty much anything “unfair” like hurricanes, starvation etc there is one answer that most people never seem to see… Those are the times that people tend to come together and help and love each other, the SINGULAR instances in time where most people see past themselves… That alone could be the reason God allows such things, as a chance for us to show the love and grace that God has shown unto us. Isn’t it funny how no one wishes to give God credit for ALL the minute details that had to be just so to allow life on this planet to exist at all but wish to lay blame for anything they perceive to be wrong squarely at his feet?
I could go on but I am sure I will get the chance to say more in the comments section!